I'm a bit confused please forgive me, But what does the mid contract Virgin JV have to do with the new JV language in the 2015TA?

So I guess I will rephrase my question. How is the 2015TA the largest scope recapture in relation to the JV'S and widebody flying?

 

Well. I guess my point is I can't speak for how all the other pilots in other bases feel about their reps. Certain ones that I have experience with, I am quite sure would not survive a recall even if their base were to have a majority vote "yes" on the TA. (Again, being given a bad choice and voting yes doesn't mean that a pilot felt represented)

I can speak for how I feel about the reps in my council.. It isn't the fact that they voted yes per SE', but a whole host of issues that would make me consider it.

They also have already proven that they think they can "make it rain" by their support of a chairman recall. I guess we are seeing how well that turned out for them.. Almost failed TA at the MEC level, a supremely divided MEC and pilot group. To think they used Roll Call to get us into this mess...

 

OK talk to me Goose.

Upper end:

We're currently at 53% block hours in AF/KLM JV. And that number is low because the company has violated it with no intention of ever fixing it for 4 years. Even then we're at 53% currently. TA15 instantly forgives that and then takes us to a permanent lowered baseline of 49% every other year. How is this a gain?

Middle end:

We wanted SEA to be a hub to protect us from future AS code share abuse and protect the jobs we've gained there courtesy of Delta's EVP of West Coast Pilot Hiring Brad Tilden. The company refused. Why did they refuse? In any case, this is not a gain.

Lower end:

TA15 removes only 2% from DCI in exchange for planes they are getting anyway, as well as planes that are clearly stated as merely replacements.The 2% lower DCI comes from parking more 50 seaters that they can't staff anyway, while allowing them more 70 or 90 seaters (with company preferred 76 seat dual class config) but if we do nothing they will almost definately park more than 2% from DCI, and they won't be able to breathe more life into DCI by fixing 25 jets worth of staffing savings for them. How is that a gain?

Now the 1.81 is clearly a numerical gain over 1.56 MBHR. However, what will be the end state MBHR once all the 717's get here and DCI is at the currently limited 450? How about once the mainline deliveries (inclusive of replacements) arrive? If its over 1.81 then this really isn't much of a deal especially since the 450 end state DCI breakdown is a hard limit regardless. So they couldn't park mas quantities of mainline and shift to DCI with a fixed 450 limit anyway, and will likely go above the 450 RJ end state MBHR because of staffing issues at DCI and mainline deliveries in the first place. Unless they shrink the entire network to punish us for rejecting TA15. With this much profit on the line, even if profits plummet by 3/4, that is highly unlikely.

 

How is this the largest recapture of Delta flying, ever, when our JV goes from out-of-compliance to immediately in-compliance under this TA? That is a loss of flying, not a recapture.

And as I see this example coming: the E-190's are entirely irrelevant. We already own that flying. This TA does not bring that flying to mainline. Management is already free to bring as many of those as they want. We don't buy airplanes.....right?

And in this TA, we once again breath new life into the failing dci model by allowing a greater number of large RJ's, that can replace the disappearing 50 seaters. 2 for 1 E-190's you say? So what. See above.

 

Is there a proxy form? How does that work? I am 44 and I will take three for the recall if I have the day off, if not I will give it to someone else. Nestor needs to fly the line.

 

I'm so impressed Virgin wasn't allowed to redirect a large portion of their flying to the United States. Oh wait.....

Are their widebodies saving our bacon on the narrowbodies? You know, like the RJs were saving our bacon.

 

I tried to post the pdf to no avail. I will keep trying.

 

Focus Bar...he was asking how this TA is a scope recapture. I'll answer it for him. This TA represents one of the largest scope concessions we've ever done. Ever.

Carl

 

Complete lie Bar and you're partly responsible for it. You being removed from the MEC administration will be one of the highest priorities once the YES voting reps are removed.

Carl

 

Can someone give the cliff notes version of how to recall a rep?