forgot to bid

Maybe I underestimated RA's savvy business mind. Now he can go to Boeing and demand an even better deal. but Boeing then may get to have insight into the ta. Which would be interesting. Maybe we get some fuzzy dice hanging from the seat belt switch.

forgot to bid

Correct. Which is why I don't think they wanted to keep the questions going. It ended fast after that.

They made the 717s a part of c12 and said if we don't get the TA passed they were going to pass on a deal they later called a no brained and stick with cr2s. Yet every time they talk about rjs they talk about upgauging and getting out of cr2s.

The 717s were coming, I don't doubt E190s are coming. The rumor mill has been that there was a large order for new E190s from Embraer, not just these Air Canada early mame E190s that are supposedly junk if you listen to Jetblues CEO.

We can actually, live witgout this order but the order will be replaced. They're not going to shut down the airline, old jets like the 88 have to be replaced. Hopefully, with Airbuses, but hey, we are pilots, we have no business chosing or paying for what they have to buy.

And I think from now on, hopefully, we will never see another order be contingent on a TA passing. Period. If they needed these planes they and MD sure boxed them in a corner. It was a gamble on their part, get mass concessions with minimal raises and aircraft order carrot, which they understandaby thought would pass. It didnt.

Dorfman

Leine

I am a narrow body FO and have been here since 99'. An 8% pay raise does not cut it in this environment for me when it is accompanied but QOL issues associated with this TA. Last year I made well better than this 8% increase in pay via a GS and LCA trip drops. I have been here for the lost decade and spent multiple years on furlough. This contract doesn't cut it for me.

I do not want nor will I vote for a cost neutral deal. I will bypass the additional money right now to ensure a contract that doesn't cut my quality of life. I am ok with helping the company with some of the staffing issues but if you want me to do it, I expect to be compensated for it.

I Wanted to vote yes on this TA and spent lots of time trying to find the good in it, there was some but not enough to offset the bad.

forgot to bid

See my previous post.

And given what was in that TA i'm glad my check was lighter.

And fwiw I've gotten a bunch of texts. Nobody is upset the order was cancelled. People have the bigger picture on this.

Also, let me add this one tangent. There is a lot of anger in the group but I don't detect it being aimed at RA or Delta. Maybe some to EB for past statements and actions. But the frustration and anger is directed at dalpa. I fly expect the company to want us to be more productive and efficient (never sick, works more, less time off, etc), but the union shouldnt agree. They're our agent, supposedly on our side, but they're self serving and fixated on our pay for their benefit it seems. That's what guys are mad about on here, fb and chit chat.

forgot to bid

Oh and hi Jamie.

scambo1

Leine,

Just fly to the FARs and stay narrow body.

Everything's gonna be alright.

LeineLodge

I don't care about the order cancellation. It's the indication of the long, slow road we have elected.

I stand by the fact that I don't GAS about any of the sick items. None of them were "onerous" or "draconian" IMO despite the rhetoric.

Scope was improved on the whole.

The only downside was the FO trip pull issue. I was not a fan of that concept, but the rest of the deal was worth it for me.

The feel-good, chest thumping that we showed RA, is just that. To quote an old Captain in the A lounge - "This is NOT about respect. For $150k, I would let RA whiz in my boots, and then go buy a new pair of boots."

I'm out guys. The last month has satisfied my appetite for having this same conversation over and over again.

Good luck to us.

hockeypilot44

Even if we voted in TA, you wouldn't have seen 8 percent until the next check. Stop being a *****. It's time to fight for what we deserve if they won't just give it to us.

FL370esq

Pretty sure your check would have been 8% light this morning even if the TA had passed. Your check today was the balance for your June flying which, I believe, was prior to the implementation date of the TA.

Maddog Heaven

Exactly what we are doing. My check is 8% light, too. So is everyone's. Makes me proud of my fellow pilot.

You'll eventually get your money. And, it won't come at the expense of your dignity and profession.

But you have to start pushing back. We are not partners with RA.
He is management, we are labor. End of story.

However, over the Moak years, we became convinced that we were in some kind of pseudo-partnership with management. Don't ask for more of the pie; make the pie larger.

That approach took your money, work rules and pension.

The more you give back, the harder you'll have to fight to make gains. But you'll have nothing to fight WITH (because you gave it all away).