And if we threaten to unionize they'll bend over backwards to make us happy. :D

Hey, then we might even get as much training pay as the non-union F/A's!:eek:

And didn't they get a 4% raise last Jan, when we got.... 3%? :rolleyes:

Honestly not a lot. Once UAL and American agreed to long term contracts undercutting ours the dye was cast. Management certainly is willing to pay a price for labor peace. They are not however going to allow their costs to soar above the competition. That is why it was so important for other airlines to build on our contract in 2012. Not only did they not do that but they signed 6 year deals. Had they at least signed 3 year deals Delta management might have been more willing to open the purse strings knowing we would drag them up.
The NMB has made it crystal clear how they view contracts and the term reasonableness they like to use. Lots of airlines have tried to buck that process in the last 10 years. The success rate stand at zero.

Tim, don't the F/As do a lot of training for free? Thx

So basically, according to you, we're no better off than we would be in bankruptcy.

We need a sailingfud quote board.

touche' ftb.....touche' sir. :)

We have to stop thinking like this is the 1970s.

Follow me here --

Fact: The Delta pilots are NEVER going to be released by the NMB.

There are no circumstances where that will ever happen. Industry consolidation has made that a certainty. We are too big and too important to the national economy. We are a public utility. There will not be a Delta pilot strike. Ever.

Therefore: The NMB is irrelevant. What they think is reasonable has no bearing on our negotiations. ALPA only uses them as an excuse. Those days have to end. We have to start using the leverage we have outside of the RLA process. There are plenty of legal things we can do.

Not quite sure how you equate the TA with bankruptcy. Perhaps it's something like Jerry's claim the airline grew 30% since the merger. I thought we had a decent chance to go back in and clean up some sections and get another TA. We have chosen a different path. I view the chances of this new approach producing a agreement with more overall value to the pilot group as somewhere in the low single digits. Time will tell. You now own the results we will achieve. Let's see what you produce.

Please list them.

Just to keep the facts straight for UAL.

The contract was signed on December 18th, 2012. Amendable on January 31, 2017. Openers 270 days prior to that.

So that's a 4 year and 6 week contract term. Not 6 years.

While you lament UAL and AMR for raising the bar (no argument from me-wish we did) you also have to acknowledge the fact that the NMB said here is the Delta contract, that is what yours will look like/ will be. Especially when it comes to scope and the rj metrics/numbers. Pretty much identical. Your contract was used as a hammer against us.

DC