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Originally Posted by C11DCA
(Post 1943315)
Just to keep the facts straight for UAL.
The contract was signed on December 18th, 2012. Amendable on January 31, 2017. Openers 270 days prior to that. So that's a 4 year and 6 week contract term. Not 6 years. While you lament UAL and AMR for raising the bar (no argument from me-wish we did) you also have to acknowledge the fact that the NMB said here is the Delta contract, that is what yours will look like/ will be. Especially when it comes to scope and the rj metrics/numbers. Pretty much identical. Your contract was used as a hammer against us. DC |
DC, thanks for he background.
I encourage you not to engage in a tit-for-tat with sailingfud. True, it's like taking candy from a quadriplegic baby. But there is no upside. Everyone here knows he is not on our side. He's a management plant who undercuts the pilot group every chance he gets. I'm going to start ignoring him too. Every time we reply to him, it gives him an opening to filibuster in favor of whatever tripe management instructed him to post today. This is the last time I will acknowledge him. |
Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1943339)
DC, thanks for he background.
I encourage you not to engage in a tit-for-tat with sailingfud. True, it's like taking candy from a quadriplegic baby. But there is no upside. Everyone here knows he is not on our side. He's a management plant who undercuts the pilot group every chance he gets. I'm going to start ignoring him too. Every time we reply to him, it gives him an opening to filibuster in favor of whatever tripe management instructed him to post today. This is the last time I will acknowledge him. You know this for a fact as this has been discussed many times and you can easily verify it. Based on your other posts including comments about wives ect.. I can only conclude that it reflects your true character. |
Originally Posted by Hoser
(Post 1943022)
Sweet. :D
how does one taxi into a light pole anyway? wow Carl |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1943258)
Honestly not a lot. Once UAL and American agreed to long term contracts undercutting ours the dye was cast. Management certainly is willing to pay a price for labor peace. They are not however going to allow their costs to soar above the competition. That is why it was so important for other airlines to build on our contract in 2012. Not only did they not do that but they signed 6 year deals. Had they at least signed 3 year deals Delta management might have been more willing to open the purse strings knowing we would drag them up.
The NMB has made it crystal clear how they view contracts and the term reasonableness they like to use. Lots of airlines have tried to buck that process in the last 10 years. The success rate stand at zero. Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1943484)
Pure BS, top to bottom. Every word. Sailingfud does this folks. You just got to keep scrolling.
Carl Man I wish it really was that easy! You own it now let's see what you produce. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1943258)
Honestly not a lot. Once UAL and American agreed to long term contracts undercutting ours the dye was cast. Management certainly is willing to pay a price for labor peace. They are not however going to allow their costs to soar above the competition. That is why it was so important for other airlines to build on our contract in 2012. Not only did they not do that but they signed 6 year deals. Had they at least signed 3 year deals Delta management might have been more willing to open the purse strings knowing we would drag them up.
The NMB has made it crystal clear how they view contracts and the term reasonableness they like to use. Lots of airlines have tried to buck that process in the last 10 years. The success rate stand at zero. You got very basic facts about the failed TA wrong in the past few days. How is it that you don't want to clear those up before you make more statements of fact (incorrectly). :) |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1943312)
Please list them.
#1 is very basic. We simply start communicating our displeasure. Unionism 101. Let management, the public and the investors know that labor risk is back on the table. We've been docile for a long, long time. The other "stakeholders" have come to rely on ALPA's passivity. Its taken for granted. Richard boasts about his great relationship with ALPA on every investor call. The Delta pilots have been "constructive" for long enough. Its not working anymore. We might finally need to stand up and point out that everyone has been getting paid handsomely except us and we're not going to accept that situation anymore. Once our new MEC is in place and negotiations resume we should know very quickly whether that type of action is going to be necessary. |
Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 1943496)
Sailing,
You got very basic facts about the failed TA wrong in the past few days. How is it that you don't want to clear those up before you make more statements of fact (incorrectly). :) (an overweight landing uses the same brake energy as an RTO was one of my personal favorites) |
Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 1943536)
There's a whole range.
#1 is very basic. We simply start communicating our displeasure. Unionism 101. Let management, the public and the investors know that labor risk is back on the table. We've been docile for a long, long time. The other "stakeholders" have come to rely on ALPA's passivity. Its taken for granted. Richard boasts about his great relationship with ALPA on every investor call. The Delta pilots have been "constructive" for long enough. Its not working anymore. We might finally need to stand up and point out that everyone has been getting paid handsomely except us and we're not going to accept that situation anymore. Once our new MEC is in place and negotiations resume we should know very quickly whether that type of action is going to be necessary. |
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