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Old 08-04-2015 | 09:29 AM
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We need a new approach to negotiating. New blood in the same failed system isn't going to get it done.
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Old 08-04-2015 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by BobZ
We need a new approach to negotiating. New blood in the same failed system isn't going to get it done.
We need new blood/people to change the system. We can not continue to recycle the same worker bees, over and over again. Its MADNESS I say

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Old 08-04-2015 | 09:43 AM
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Sounds, we're not going to "pay" for anything. The point of the post is that we are done paying. It's time to get paid.
I hope to be proven wrong. I hope that whoever steps up to bat next isn't plagued by the mechanics and dogma apparent with contract negotiations. If the new team can get a fraction of what APC posters believe are entitled, well then you have my gratitude and respect.
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Old 08-04-2015 | 10:14 AM
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Since I know DALPA reads this:

Thank you for your service, gentlemen.
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Old 08-04-2015 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Sounds
I hope to be proven wrong. I hope that whoever steps up to bat next isn't plagued by the mechanics and dogma apparent with contract negotiations. If the new team can get a fraction of what APC posters believe are entitled, well then you have my gratitude and respect.
IMO, a negotiator should be extremely well versed in the contract. To me, this points to someone who may already be within the "system."

I don't fully understand the mechanics and dogma apparent with contract negotiations. The apparent part I get but, the non apparent part is a mystery. It is clear that the majority of the delta pilots are tired of and done with concessions. We helped the company in the past. Now it's time, past time IMO, to help ourselves.

There isn't a single no voter that doesn't want the delta pilots to get more airplanes and grow the delta pilot flying. The thing is, the company can do that outside of section 6. To me, there are sacred cows...selling scope is off the table.

As far as things the company needs help with for staffing reasons, we can work with those items. They will have to snap back and will have a cost. The company bean counters will have to lose some sleep. We have to be united to make this happen. We are as united as I've seen us since C2K right now.

We can make this happen. Delta can grow. Delta pilots will help with that, happily. We expect to be rewarded too. If the company wants to overreach and play hardball, we can go that route too. This is our company. We are lifers here.
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Old 08-04-2015 | 10:33 AM
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The next Strategic Planning Committee had better produce charts showing how many Billions the Delta Pilot's concessions have contributed to Delta's record earnings, since 2004, and then another chart with Management's pay and benefit concessions since 2004.

We have already given plenty, and we have NOT been restored, by far! Our pay rates today are still 18% below 2004 rates, WITHOUT inflation! And our Retirement funding, as well as just about every other section of our 29 section contract is WORSE today then it was in 2004.

We do NOT have to 'trade' more concessions for pay rates, when we have already given so much, for so long, and the company is making BILLIONS.

This Contract has to be about RESTORATION!

We need a Strategic Planning Committee, and Negotiating Committee, and an MEC Chairman who understands that!
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Old 08-04-2015 | 10:34 AM
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Excuse my rocket surgeon dumbass knowledge of alpa, but is there anything that prevents dalpa from hiring professional, non pilots, to negotiate the contract?
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Old 08-04-2015 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
We need new blood. Although Heiko has been winning my heart over, I still remember he helped negotiate C2012. In my opinion 2012 was a POS and the catalyst for events like TA1.

We need NEW BLOOD!

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I like Heiko... he's a super nice guy. But make no mistake he is of the same mindset as what we've been dealing with for the past 10 years with "Moakism." He was very proud of what we did with C2012. "New blood" is exactly what we need.

Put Heiko in contract administration if he'll do it... he is ace of the bass with that stuff!
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Old 08-04-2015 | 10:39 AM
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Yes. Arrogance.

And the hit to the lobster and champagne entertainment budget hiring outside help would cause. )
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Old 08-04-2015 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by timbo
the next strategic planning committee had better producer charts showing how many billions the delta pilots concessions have contributed to delta's record earnings, since 2004, and then another chart with management's pay and benefit concessions since 2004.

We have already given plenty, and we have not been restored, by far! Our pay rates today are still 18% below 2004 rates, without inflation! And our retirement funding, as well as just about every other section of our 29 section contract is worse today then it was in 2004.

We do not have to 'trade' more concessions for pay rates, when we have already given so much, for so long, and the company is making billions.

This contract has to be about restoration!

We need a strategic planning committee, and negotiating committee, and an mec chairman who understands that!
^^^^^^ this ^^^^^
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