Dam .. it, FTB. All good points, but I'm waiting for Rocky to answer my question - now posted multiple times - as to why he thought the pilot group was so woefully misinformed.

Frankly, I don't think he'll do it. They're hiding behind the thinly veiled excuse that "social media" got the best of them. In reality, they were unable to deliver a Tentative Agreement that 65% of the pilot group could accept.

 

Why do they narrowly focus on the 8% and nothing else. Their entire argument is around, some say, equivalent to a state tax.

 

Flaps,

IMHO, they were boondoggled into believing that "it was the best they would get, or the best the company could do." Have you ever heard of a bargaining agent, someone in a position of leadership for whom they represent with this type of "DEFEATIST" mentality??

I want Richard's hypnotist that he used on Donatelli and the "yes" Reps.

 

Eight reps lied to you. I'm not saying it would have passed absent that. None of us know, but sales jobs work both ways. Plain enough answer? And as we can see from the latter half of this thread, guys like FTB were so "woefully misinformed", they didn't even understand what they voted for and are now in denial about the facts.

 

The hypnotist's name is Lee Moak.


You can reach him at he Moak Illusionist and Hypnotism and Space Exploration Lobby Group in Washington DC. You might get a discount being that he was once a Delta pilot and you're... wait, he's still a Delta pilot but he doesn't work here anymore.

As you can see, the hypnotism stuff really works well.

 

Why you guys so willing to help management with their profit sharing "problem"? Is it really a problem, I mean if we don't make a profit, they don't have to pay it.

Splain to us rocket sturgeons, how is it helping the company if we negotiate a lower profit sharing? Don't say so they can buy back more stock, Jethro Bodine could figure that one out.

 

 

Not so fast FTB, there's a secret negotiating scheme our NC can use to thwart that play. We all know the "must have" is the trump card all negotiators fear the other side playing. The first one to use it always destroys the other side and as our professional negotiators know there's no come back and you have to give in.

But wait, Chairman, I just read on the interweb there's a super secret, crazy Ivan counter that works just a effectively. Impossible you say? Oh, so did I, but then I was allowed in behind the green door. When a negotiator hears the magic words "must have" instead of hanging your head in despair and defeat you instead pause, knowing the opposition has walked right into your well planned trap... get a gleam in your eye and slyly say, "Sorry, but that's a deal breaker." BOOM goes the dynamite! You heard it here first, but keep it hush hush and at the ready for the big moment.

 

Somebody gets it.

 

My captain rep tells me it's because profit sharing isn't sharing profit... it's a cost. I pointed out to him how in my economics class the calculation works:

Revenue - Costs = Profit

But he wasn't buying it. Was adamant profit is a cost. Just sayin' that might explain why our side doesn't fair too well in negotiations.