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Old 09-08-2015 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Explain to us how the OE trip drop would work. Just curious.

Say it was implemented starting in October and you have a category with 500 FOs and 50 LCA and every last one of them is planned to be doing OE with an 83 hour alv.

Everyone submits their bids by 6pm on the 11th, then what happens?
It was explained in the negotiators updates. Are you baiting or did you not read them? BTW, show me a category that has 10% LCA who fly in-base OEs on every trip.
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Old 09-08-2015 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyMtMadDog
It was explained in the negotiators updates. Are you baiting or did you not read them? BTW, show me a category that has 10% LCA who fly in-base OEs on every trip.
Ah the rearward looking logic again.
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Old 09-08-2015 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyMtMadDog
It was explained in the negotiators updates. Are you baiting or did you not read them? BTW, show me a category that has 10% LCA who fly in-base OEs on every trip.
You're avoiding a simple question and showing your absolute lack of knowledge on a fundamental issue with the oe language.

Fwiw, I was bought off an oe trip this week for an out of base pilot. So, I guess my category is busy handling all the training for the other bases.

And was there anything in the pwa that prohibited every lca from doing oe on every trip?
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Old 09-08-2015 | 05:46 PM
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Really, Rocky Mt. Oysters? Ever heard of "Pot meet Kettle"?

Originally Posted by RockyMtMadDog
You assume too much. How about you debate the issue rather than continue with meaningless rhetoric.
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Your full of crap Purple Dork. Nobody "authorizes" me to post or not post. I simply have a busy life outside this place whereas yours appears to revolve around your keyboard. Plain enough genius?
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Old 09-08-2015 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyMtMadDog
It was explained in the negotiators updates. Are you baiting or did you not read them? BTW, show me a category that has 10% LCA who fly in-base OEs on every trip.
I can tell you for a fact, I did for more than a few years in JFK 767ER, every trip. I begged for a regular trip. New hires no less in the right seat.
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Old 09-08-2015 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
You're avoiding a simple question.

I was bought off an oe trip this week for an out of base pilot. So, I guess my category is busy handling all the training for the other bases.

And was there anything in the pwa that prohibited every lca from doing oe on every trip?
No, there is nothing prohibiting it. But lets deal with probabilities and realities rather than with mathematical possibilities that are artificial to everything except your argument. So I think you admit the scenario you propose is not realistic.

Here's a question for you. Do you understand that in the scenario you describe (an out of base OE), nothing would have changed? Under the TA, you would still have been bought off just as you were this week. The changes only affected OEs if the "trainee" was inbound to your category. You knew that, right?
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Old 09-08-2015 | 05:52 PM
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Rocky,

Sixty-five percent (65%) of the pilot group disagree with you. Why are you arguing, here of all places, for the Company? (Honest question.)
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Old 09-08-2015 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Elliot
Rocky,

Sixty-five percent (65%) of the pilot group disagree with you. Why are you arguing, here of all places, for the Company? (Honest question.)
I just like arguments to be based on facts. It's a fault of mine.
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Old 09-08-2015 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyMtMadDog
No, there is nothing prohibiting it. But lets deal with probabilities and realities rather than with mathematical possibilities that are artificial to everything except your argument. So I think you admit the scenario you propose is not realistic.

Here's a question for you. Do you understand that in the scenario you describe (an out of base OE), nothing would have changed? Under the TA, you would still have been bought off just as you were this week. The changes only affected OEs if the "trainee" was inbound to your category. You knew that, right?
Wrong. It's very realistic as the retirements kick in mass. Just pointing out you want to ignore the fact that the ta allows it.

And you need to go read the ta again, the ta absolutely did not carve out the out of base OE. Read it. Read it for the first time I guess.
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Old 09-08-2015 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyMtMadDog
I just like arguments to be based on facts. It's a fault of mine.
First of all, there's really no need for the passive aggressive comment at the end. And you wonder why D-ALPA is so highly respected?

Secondly, your "facts" do not match the "will" of the pilot group. Does that "FACT" make sense to you, or will you continue to post your greater than thou opinion, all the while touting it as fact, when it really is just your opinion.
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