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Old 09-06-2015 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
So in your universe having the A350 at 777 rates was a "fail?" At least your screen name is accurate.
The fail was DALPA constantly trotting out and touting rates that only a very small percentage of the pilot group will ever see, while at the same time trying to justsify the LCA trip drops as it would only affect a small percentage of F/Os.
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Old 09-06-2015 | 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by qball
The fail was DALPA constantly trotting out and touting rates that only a very small percentage of the pilot group will ever see, while at the same time trying to justsify the LCA trip drops as it would only affect a small percentage of F/Os.
In the "old days," if your trip was dropped for an OE, you were subject to recovery flying. That was wrong. The fix, however, results in some FOs who make a mini-career out of getting paid to rarely fly or who make well north of what their counterparts in the left seat make. Either way, it's featherbedding, and provides a disproportionate contractual benefit to a small population.
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Old 09-06-2015 | 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
OK, I will try this again. The past impact was negligible. The current impact is small but increasing. The important thing to consider is the future.

Many FO's will benefit from this in the very near future.

So if this is really a "must have" for the company lets not just give it away!

Finally a question - If the IOE trip drops are negligible and don't have a significant impact on productivity then why was/is it a "must have" for the company?

Answer - Because the company has the foresight to look forward and plan ahead when the impact will be huge.

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Nobody "gave it away." It was part of a $1.1B+ net gain contract. Who said it was not a significant impact? Not me. It is a disproportionate benefit to a small group. Imagine the outrage if ALPA had negotiated triple pay for GS but only for a couple hundred pilots in certain categories. There would be riots in the streets.
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Old 09-06-2015 | 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Dalpa must have authorized the rocky mad dog persona to start posting again. They kept it on ice leading up to the recall vote. Smart move. Not really a consensus builder. More of a "what's wrong with Dalpa" in every paragraph he types.
Your full of crap Purple Dork. Nobody "authorizes" me to post or not post. I simply have a busy life outside this place whereas yours appears to revolve around your keyboard. Plain enough genius?
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Old 09-06-2015 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyMtMadDog
In the "old days," if your trip was dropped for an OE, you were subject to recovery flying. That was wrong. The fix, however, results in some FOs who make a mini-career out of getting paid to rarely fly or who make well north of what their counterparts in the left seat make. Either way, it's featherbedding, and provides a disproportionate contractual benefit to a small population.
If you are so insecure that an FO makes more than the skipper, where were you and MD when the Captain 190 rates were being trumpeted as such a win for the pilot group??? Don't let the facts get in the way of your feelings Rocky. Come on down to sea level and get some O2 in your tiny brain!!
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Old 09-06-2015 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyMtMadDog
In the "old days," if your trip was dropped for an OE, you were subject to recovery flying. That was wrong. The fix, however, results in some FOs who make a mini-career out of getting paid to rarely fly or who make well north of what their counterparts in the left seat make. Either way, it's featherbedding, and provides a disproportionate contractual benefit to a small population.
Why is this a problem? Most of the F.O.'s have seen nothing but stagnation and backwards movement for the majority of their career.

I see it as way to make up all the lost income due to furlough, merger, PBS, PRP's ETC................

Your priorities are way off....................
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Old 09-06-2015 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by thinkstraight
Why is this a problem? Most of the F.O.'s have seen nothing but stagnation and backwards movement for the majority of their career.

I see it as way to make up all the lost income due to furlough, merger, PBS, PRP's ETC................

Your priorities are way off....................
My priorities are just fine. It's a problem because it provides a dispoportionate benefit to a small population. Lose the "woe is me" attitude and realize that none of us have had the career we expected, and you'll see that.
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Old 09-06-2015 | 07:15 AM
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It is a disproportionate benefit to a small group. [/QUOTE]

Please show us the numbers!!

How many pilots actually disproportionately benefited from this policy???????

And define disproportionately.
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Old 09-06-2015 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyMtMadDog
My priorities are just fine. It's a problem because it provides a dispoportionate benefit to a small population. Lose the "woe is me" attitude and realize that none of us have had the career we expected, and you'll see that.
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Good one dude.

Obviously the only person that matters is you. My bad.......
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Old 09-06-2015 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyMtMadDog
In the "old days," if your trip was dropped for an OE, you were subject to recovery flying. That was wrong. The fix, however, results in some FOs who make a mini-career out of getting paid to rarely fly or who make well north of what their counterparts in the left seat make. Either way, it's featherbedding, and provides a disproportionate contractual benefit to a small population.
In the "Old days" it was just like it is now. It was lost in the Bankruptcy and finally recovered a few years ago!
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