When A 777A Retires........
09-06-2015 | 07:22 AM
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If you are so insecure that an FO makes more than the skipper, where were you and MD when the Captain 190 rates were being trumpeted as such a win for the pilot group??? Don't let the facts get in the way of your feelings Rocky. Come on down to sea level and get some O2 in your tiny brain!!
09-06-2015 | 07:32 AM
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Please show us the numbers!!
How many pilots actually disproportionately benefited from this policy???????
And define disproportionately.[/QUOTE]
1)Already accomplished in the Notepads and the road show handouts.
2) (Affected pilots personal pay/total pilot pay)/(Affected number of pilots/total pilots) How's that to start? A "balanced" system results in an answer of roughly "1." Disproportion takes place as the number strays from "1" in either direction. It would have to be refined by category to be more accurate, so it's just a spaghetti on the wall first response, and I'm sure I'll get torn apart for it.
How many pilots actually disproportionately benefited from this policy???????
And define disproportionately.[/QUOTE]
1)Already accomplished in the Notepads and the road show handouts.
2) (Affected pilots personal pay/total pilot pay)/(Affected number of pilots/total pilots) How's that to start? A "balanced" system results in an answer of roughly "1." Disproportion takes place as the number strays from "1" in either direction. It would have to be refined by category to be more accurate, so it's just a spaghetti on the wall first response, and I'm sure I'll get torn apart for it.
09-06-2015 | 07:33 AM
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It's not about insecurity. If you think it's that simple, then the guy with the oxygen deprived tiny brain is looking at you in the mirror. It's simply a productivity issue--getting paid for the work you do vs don't do. Perhaps a middle ground answer would be a hybrid system. Let the FOs drop the trips as they do now, but then they go to the bottom of the trip coverage list. Wouldn't that at least spread the wealth?(. . . although I am not sure the company would buy off as it does ngot address productivity that much).
09-06-2015 | 07:34 AM
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Why? It would just rearrange who was getting the greenslips. An FO staying at home and getting paid is a good deal. Why permit him a second good deal (GS) ahead of others? Look, I realize this solution has issues too, but unless you guys think management is just going to abandon everything they want and sign a blank check for us, then someone somewhere has to come up with solutions that will work for both sides.
09-06-2015 | 07:39 AM
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It's not about insecurity. If you think it's that simple, then the guy with the oxygen deprived tiny brain is looking at you in the mirror. It's simply a productivity issue--getting paid for the work you do vs don't do. Perhaps a middle ground answer would be a hybrid system. Let the FOs drop the trips as they do now, but then they go to the bottom of the trip coverage list. Wouldn't that at least spread the wealth?(. . . although I am not sure the company would buy off as it does not address productivity that much).
Did you drop a trip for your time on APC?? Or just waiting for the "free beer" in ATL party to begin??
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09-06-2015 | 07:40 AM
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Why? It would just rearrange who was getting the greenslips. An FO staying at home and getting paid is a good deal. Why permit him a second good deal (GS) ahead of others? Look, I realize this solution has issues too, but unless you guys think management is just going to abandon everything they want and sign a blank check for us, then someone somewhere has to come up with solutions that will work for both sides.
09-06-2015 | 07:48 AM
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09-06-2015 | 07:50 AM
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Same should apply to sick leave.
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