When A 777A Retires........
09-06-2015 | 08:50 AM
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It all comes down to seniority. You are ignoring seniority in one example but applying it in another. Your logic is not consistent.
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09-06-2015 | 08:54 AM
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Well, I think in any universe but the DAL/DALPA universe, it is a fail in the business sense, particularly if the pay rate was sold as an improvement. If you introduce an airframe that holds more pax (i.e. revenue) than another a/c but pays the same as that lower capacity a/c, how is that not a fail? And FWIW, this is the reason why pay banding is bad.
09-06-2015 | 09:24 AM
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We may be missing the point. When a pilot gets bought off for OE then turns around and GS or WS another trip this actually helps the company since they do not have the manning to cover the trips otherwise.
This is why the company wants to eliminate the trips from the pot so that they will have all the other trips covered, they don't want pilots unavailable unless they are sick.
WS and GS actually helps the manning. Can you imagine how many flights cancelled if nobody picks up extra flying?
This is why the company wants to eliminate the trips from the pot so that they will have all the other trips covered, they don't want pilots unavailable unless they are sick.
WS and GS actually helps the manning. Can you imagine how many flights cancelled if nobody picks up extra flying?
Exactly. As Sun Tzu said, know thy enemy and know thyself.
We are somewhat necessary to the operation.
09-06-2015 | 09:26 AM
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Not a fail, but certainly not an accomplishment to be touted as a negotiations success. The airplane provides management efficiencies, pilot costs being equal is a gain for management.
09-06-2015 | 09:38 AM
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In the "old days," if your trip was dropped for an OE, you were subject to recovery flying. That was wrong. The fix, however, results in some FOs who make a mini-career out of getting paid to rarely fly or who make well north of what their counterparts in the left seat make. Either way, it's featherbedding, and provides a disproportionate contractual benefit to a small population.
09-06-2015 | 09:54 AM
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It's not about insecurity. If you think it's that simple, then the guy with the oxygen deprived tiny brain is looking at you in the mirror. It's simply a productivity issue--getting paid for the work you do vs don't do. Perhaps a middle ground answer would be a hybrid system. Let the FOs drop the trips as they do now, but then they go to the bottom of the trip coverage list. Wouldn't that at least spread the wealth?(. . . although I am not sure the company would buy off as it does not address productivity that much).
09-06-2015 | 10:05 AM
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Weak? What does "within a category" have to do with it? All categories benefit from trip buys. You decide how to use your seniority. If you want to be senior or junior in a category that is your choice.
09-06-2015 | 10:10 AM
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Exactly. Some can't see through their anger. The downside to this "solution" from management's view however, is that it does not address productivity. And before someone accuses me of carrying management's water, recall Sun Tzu's "Know your enemy and know yourself . . ." If you can't understand their point of view, we'll never reach an agreement. Guys are pounding their chests about how comfortable they are with the current agreement.
For how long?
For how long?
09-06-2015 | 10:38 AM
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This is a point you have not answered. Depending on where said pilot is inserted into the coverage tree, there WILL be fewer green slips etc.
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