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10-20-2015 | 02:09 PM
#11
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Translation: Council 1 helped blow $1.1 billion for Delta pilots and now we are going to try to blame everyone else for our bad decisions. You can chalk this up with the "me too" grievance and the "trip rig" grievance as another $1 million flushed down the toilet. Can't Lewis and Hall just man up and accept their decision? Nope. Got to find a scapegoat. What a bunch of pathetic losers.
You tried to sell us out and you failed. You're the loser.
10-20-2015 | 02:47 PM
#12
Straight QOL, homie
Joined: Feb 2012
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From: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Translation: Council 1 helped blow $1.1 billion for Delta pilots and now we are going to try to blame everyone else for our bad decisions. You can chalk this up with the "me too" grievance and the "trip rig" grievance as another $1 million flushed down the toilet. Can't Lewis and Hall just man up and accept their decision? Nope. Got to find a scapegoat. What a bunch of pathetic losers.
P.s. As you might have seen on chitchat, Lewis and Hall didn't write it. I bet they'd be the first to tell you it was written by someone with far more technical expertise than they have.
Poor banana hammock. Good luck with everything. The delta pilots network can probably help you find some counseling for your neuroses.
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10-20-2015 | 07:24 PM
#13
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Management just tried to tears 2 pay tables out of the PWA with the Dec. 1 pay raise. Council 1 thinks we should do something about that.
Council 1 Resolution
WHEREAS: Delta airlines has announced additional raises to non-contract employees of 14.5% effective December 1st, 2015.
WHEREAS: The raises are announced after a specific threat to circumvent the Delta Pilot Working Agreement section 3. B. 4. during section 6 bargaining.
WHEREAS: The timing of the raises are an intentional act for the purpose of avoiding a comparison on or after January 1, 2016 which would provide for a 3% increase in pilot pay rates.
WHEREAS: The frequency of the raises is unique and exceeds traditional annual raises resulting in two raises for the calendar year 2015.
WHEREAS: The cumulative amount of the raises are unprecedented at 17.5% or more for noncontract employees.
WHEREAS: The act of intentionally providing excess compensation allows management to forego future raises. The withholding of future annual raises will result in continuing to suppress pilot pay rates during negotiations.
WHEREAS: Suppressing pilot pay rates during negotiations allows management to maintain pilot pay rates at a lower value thereby enhancing their bargaining position.
WHEREAS: The intent of the agreement is violated. The intent being to link the recovery of pilot pay rates to internal peers within Delta Airlines and external peer pilots at other airlines. Concessionary pay rates given for mutual benefit and enacted by letter of agreement designed to assist in the financial recovery of Delta Airlines have not yet been restored.
WHEREAS: The spirit of the agreement is violated. The spirit being fair dealings in the interpretation of the agreement regardless of current events. The spirit also being the terms of the agreement, both implied and express shall endure until superseded by mutual consent.
WHEREAS: These actions are an attempt to influence negotiations and contrary to the status quo requirement of the Railway Labor Act during section 6 bargaining by limiting pay rate accumulation.
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED: Council 1 pilots direct the Delta Master Executive Council of the Airline Pilots Association to file a grievance on behalf of the Delta pilots to require specific compliance with section 3. B. 4. of the Delta Pilot Working Agreement on or after January 1, 2016 but no later than April 1, 2016 the date customary for non-contract employee raises.
Council 1 Resolution
WHEREAS: Delta airlines has announced additional raises to non-contract employees of 14.5% effective December 1st, 2015.
WHEREAS: The raises are announced after a specific threat to circumvent the Delta Pilot Working Agreement section 3. B. 4. during section 6 bargaining.
WHEREAS: The timing of the raises are an intentional act for the purpose of avoiding a comparison on or after January 1, 2016 which would provide for a 3% increase in pilot pay rates.
WHEREAS: The frequency of the raises is unique and exceeds traditional annual raises resulting in two raises for the calendar year 2015.
WHEREAS: The cumulative amount of the raises are unprecedented at 17.5% or more for noncontract employees.
WHEREAS: The act of intentionally providing excess compensation allows management to forego future raises. The withholding of future annual raises will result in continuing to suppress pilot pay rates during negotiations.
WHEREAS: Suppressing pilot pay rates during negotiations allows management to maintain pilot pay rates at a lower value thereby enhancing their bargaining position.
WHEREAS: The intent of the agreement is violated. The intent being to link the recovery of pilot pay rates to internal peers within Delta Airlines and external peer pilots at other airlines. Concessionary pay rates given for mutual benefit and enacted by letter of agreement designed to assist in the financial recovery of Delta Airlines have not yet been restored.
WHEREAS: The spirit of the agreement is violated. The spirit being fair dealings in the interpretation of the agreement regardless of current events. The spirit also being the terms of the agreement, both implied and express shall endure until superseded by mutual consent.
WHEREAS: These actions are an attempt to influence negotiations and contrary to the status quo requirement of the Railway Labor Act during section 6 bargaining by limiting pay rate accumulation.
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED: Council 1 pilots direct the Delta Master Executive Council of the Airline Pilots Association to file a grievance on behalf of the Delta pilots to require specific compliance with section 3. B. 4. of the Delta Pilot Working Agreement on or after January 1, 2016 but no later than April 1, 2016 the date customary for non-contract employee raises.
10-20-2015 | 07:41 PM
#15
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From: Representing the REAL Delta
Kind of off the subject somewhat but.........I wasn't here at the time but during the negotiations for our 2012 contract, what was the number that ALPA stated the contract would be worth to the pilots at that time? You know, the one Ed later said was cost neutral after it was implemented.
I just want to correlate that difference with POS 2015 and the 1.1 billion.
I just want to correlate that difference with POS 2015 and the 1.1 billion.
10-20-2015 | 08:18 PM
#16
Back on TDY
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From: 747-400 Captain
Translation: Council 1 helped blow $1.1 billion for Delta pilots and now we are going to try to blame everyone else for our bad decisions. You can chalk this up with the "me too" grievance and the "trip rig" grievance as another $1 million flushed down the toilet. Can't Lewis and Hall just man up and accept their decision? Nope. Got to find a scapegoat. What a bunch of pathetic losers.
Carl
10-20-2015 | 11:20 PM
#17
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From: #41
3B4 coal in your stocking
I'm guessing he has a new phone or new to Tapa-talk posting/quoting. He has another non sequitur post in the "Question for SWA Non-TA" thread where the OP is looking for pilot mutual aid type help and Bubba replies with the effects of codeshares vs organic growth.
Maybe he thinks in a 4th or 5th dimension and can piece it all together? If he can connect those dots we really need him on our team.
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10-20-2015 | 11:36 PM
#18
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From: 765-A
Translation: Council 1 helped blow $1.1 billion for Delta pilots and now we are going to try to blame everyone else for our bad decisions. You can chalk this up with the "me too" grievance and the "trip rig" grievance as another $1 million flushed down the toilet. Can't Lewis and Hall just man up and accept their decision? Nope. Got to find a scapegoat. What a bunch of pathetic losers.
Everyone else, including Council 1, is in October 2015. You seem to be stuck in July, 2015. Look around. People are putting on jackets and the leaves are falling off the trees.
IF you are a pilot, it's time for you to let it go. Time to move on. Turn the page. Do something else. Anything else.
Just please stop complaining about the $1.1 billion you think you lost. You would think that you lost the whole $1.1 billion yourself.
An 8% raise isn't worth all the fuss you are making.
10-21-2015 | 04:40 AM
#19
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You guys followed him like little lemmings. We have seen his character assassinations in play and now he is looking for the scapegoat. You little Bartelians are not only blowing money away, you are even giving us pay cuts. The non contract raises will reduce our profit sharing next year.
So nice going Bartelians, your stupid, failed negotiating tactics have failed again. Now onto the character assassinations. Brilliant. Attack away, I am sure there is lots of money in that line of work.
10-21-2015 | 04:47 AM
#20
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Dude,
Everyone else, including Council 1, is in October 2015. You seem to be stuck in July, 2015. Look around. People are putting on jackets and the leaves are falling off the trees.
IF you are a pilot, it's time for you to let it go. Time to move on. Turn the page. Do something else. Anything else.
Just please stop complaining about the $1.1 billion you think you lost. You would think that you lost the whole $1.1 billion yourself.
An 8% raise isn't worth all the fuss you are making.
Everyone else, including Council 1, is in October 2015. You seem to be stuck in July, 2015. Look around. People are putting on jackets and the leaves are falling off the trees.
IF you are a pilot, it's time for you to let it go. Time to move on. Turn the page. Do something else. Anything else.
Just please stop complaining about the $1.1 billion you think you lost. You would think that you lost the whole $1.1 billion yourself.
An 8% raise isn't worth all the fuss you are making.
Throttles - Idle
Rudder and Ailerons - Neutral
Stick - Abruptly full aft and hold
Rudder - Abruptly apply full rudder opposite spin direction (opposite turn needle) and hold
Stick - Abruptly full forward one turn after applying rudder
Controls - Neutral after spinning stops and recover from dive
I am sure someone on here can tell you what that is.
I am not going to stop complaining about the money. You idiots are taking money away from my family and my friends because you threw a temper tantrum. This lunacy will only stop when enough pilots decide enough is enough and they return to sanity. As a group we are throwing away money and it's stupid. I know you think you are some internet tough guy who stood up to the man, but you are just another troll who flushed money down the toilet because you acted like a baby. So no, I am not going to get over it. Deal with it tough guy.
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