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01-12-2016 | 05:34 AM
#281
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01-12-2016 | 06:09 AM
#282
Gets Weekends Off
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From: 7ER Capt
Folks, we will never go to "binding arbitration"... that requires the agreement of BOTH parties.
The ONLY entity that can impose a contract is Congress... and in that VERY unlikely event, it would be time for National to call for an SOS... because if they didn't, it would be the end of Alpa.
We will, in all likely hood, go to mediation... there is a HUGE difference...
Mediation is not to be feared.
The ONLY entity that can impose a contract is Congress... and in that VERY unlikely event, it would be time for National to call for an SOS... because if they didn't, it would be the end of Alpa.
We will, in all likely hood, go to mediation... there is a HUGE difference...
Mediation is not to be feared.
01-12-2016 | 06:39 AM
#283
Racketeer
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From: N60.4858 W149.9327
How quickly would ALPA get a deal if there was a full NMB campaign where they had to defeat DPA or be replaced? I am liking their stance and willingness to question more and more.
01-12-2016 | 06:53 AM
#284
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From: Hates Commuting
Little help for the (somewhat) newbie, please? "USAirways playbook"?
01-12-2016 | 07:53 AM
#285
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From: N60.4858 W149.9327
America West/US Air merger. Both ALPA, US Air was senior and didn't like their treatment on SLI so they went independent and fought every agreement they were a part of, which mired them in dysfunction to this day.
01-12-2016 | 07:57 AM
#286
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It's entertaining to hear from you throw away account guys. Brand new to APC with a clear agenda.
What I don't get is why you have it out to sandbag your fellow pilots.
Somehow your ilk cannot compute concessions and profit sharing giveaways. I just flew with a guy who kept touting how much he's lost in wages from not accepting TA15. I asked him how much he calculated for the loss in PS and the other concessions and he had no answer.
This is exactly why your in the 35 percentile, very bad at math. I think it's time for you to listen to the smart guys in the room instead of blowing your horn.
If you can't do that, then just listen. You clearly don't get it.
What I don't get is why you have it out to sandbag your fellow pilots.
Somehow your ilk cannot compute concessions and profit sharing giveaways. I just flew with a guy who kept touting how much he's lost in wages from not accepting TA15. I asked him how much he calculated for the loss in PS and the other concessions and he had no answer.
This is exactly why your in the 35 percentile, very bad at math. I think it's time for you to listen to the smart guys in the room instead of blowing your horn.
If you can't do that, then just listen. You clearly don't get it.
Man you lost me on your entire post! I voted no, I want a lot more. I point out the company is stalling and you say I am supporting them or something? Strange man, strange!!!
01-12-2016 | 08:19 AM
#287
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From: 7ER Capt
I read your post exactly your way... I think the Capn' was a bit itchy on the trigger finger.
01-12-2016 | 10:37 AM
#288
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I would prefer the UAL TA does not pass. The entire mediation process is geared to driving the solution to industry average. Overall if you applied the United TA rates to our fleet the rates are lower then our rejected TA. We can talk all day about the 330 rate but if you look at the other rates it's not good!
UAL 767-254
Delta TA1 260
UAL 757-245
Delta TA1 260
UAL 737-235
Delta TA1 250
UAL A320-245 A319-235
Delta TA1 241
These should be sobering numbers. Delta management would jump at these payrates. I would prefer UAL to go back to the table!
UAL 767-254
Delta TA1 260
UAL 757-245
Delta TA1 260
UAL 737-235
Delta TA1 250
UAL A320-245 A319-235
Delta TA1 241
These should be sobering numbers. Delta management would jump at these payrates. I would prefer UAL to go back to the table!
01-12-2016 | 04:34 PM
#289
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01-12-2016 | 05:37 PM
#290
Bus Driver
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An informative link for those new to the contract negotiation process, like myself. It's actually a SWA FA website, but it hits all the key points like NMB, PEB, Arbitration, etc. Check out the "Our Local's History" tab for an enlightening history of hot pants and unions.
https://twu556.org/nt/contract-negotiations-102/
https://twu556.org/nt/contract-negotiations-102/
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