Speculation game: UAL TA & effect on DAL TA2
01-23-2016, 05:24 PM
#61
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Originally Posted by Schwanker
Who gives a flying hoot about our failed TA. It sucked. And you conveniently left out we were paying for our own raises by giving up profit sharing plus several other concessions. UAL didn't give up any of the BS the TA had in it.
01-23-2016, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
The sky. It is falling. 
01-23-2016, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BobZ
The fundamental question is if living with a bad deal is preferable to living with no deal.
This pilot group, after decades of choosing the former..... has apparently decided to give the latter a try.
This pilot group, after decades of choosing the former..... has apparently decided to give the latter a try.
01-23-2016, 06:07 PM
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Fear is what removes power from a negotiating group, and Maddog is clearly hear to spread fear. We're not buying it. Even if the company sends the 3rd string to the table on Jan 29, it would mean only one thing... they are negotiating. Nothing more. And if they walk away then we'll take our 2016 raise in our 2017 profit sharing check, and you can kiss JD Power goodbye--you simply don't get JD Power-level customer service from employees you tell to F-off. Eventually they'll admit that the pilots are an essential element of the Delta brand, and it's the brand that generates revenue. Until then, we'll keep our profit sharing, sick leave, LCA trip buys, E190, new 737s, etc.
But you can keep the fear, we don't need it.
But you can keep the fear, we don't need it.
01-23-2016, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Maddogflier
The fundamental question is how do we bring the company to the table to reach a deal that will ratify.
01-23-2016, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Maddogflier
The fundamental question is how do we bring the company to the table to reach a deal that will ratify.
01-23-2016, 06:26 PM
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I would argue that our greatest weapon to get them to the table is to be prepared to drag this out. When one side can display no sense of urgency, the goal is to drive the other side to urgency. They're trying that on us right now. We can apply the same tactic in reverse. It's all game theory in negotiating, and sometimes a counterintuitive move may get you to your goal the quickest.
01-23-2016, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Maddogflier
The fundamental question is how do we bring the company to the table to reach a deal that will ratify.
Why on earth you think it is a fundamental question?...well that IS a fundamental question. And one that leads me to wonder what fundamentals you have, if any, sailingfun.
The company was in a hurry to get to the table last summer because they were hoping to hoodwink us. Them stalling now is proof of that.
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