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03-15-2016 | 06:16 AM
#111
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American never enjoyed the 'C2000' from which to take cuts and LNWA pilots had their pensions frozen also. Delta pilots fared better over the last 15 years and Delta pilots have provided tremendous leadership at ALPA Int'l while United ALPA could not have been more dysfunctional. I am very grateful for DALPA's leadership.
You're not going to convince the majority that a decade of Moak giveaways for small raises was a great idea.
Fortunately the group woke up a saw that giving away work rules was not worth the small cash we were getting for it.
03-15-2016 | 06:26 AM
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I agree that the recent TA was completely substandard given record profits, but that doesn't change the reality of the previous 15 years. I think your new MEC leadership would be the first to tell you that it is not easy to deliver a contract that exceeds the rest of the industry's pilots by a large margin, but we are all rooting for them.
03-15-2016 | 06:30 AM
#113
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American never enjoyed the 'C2000' from which to take cuts and LNWA pilots had their pensions frozen also. Delta pilots fared better over the last 15 years and Delta pilots have provided tremendous leadership at ALPA Int'l while United ALPA could not have been more dysfunctional. I am very grateful for DALPA's leadership.
The record profits are a complete opposite situation. The rest of the company has been made more than whole, we have not. Its really that simple. UAL has set the standard of no concessions in these times while achieving higher rates. To settle for less is to undercut their achievement. Pattern bargaining for gains in this environment is the only sensible route.
03-15-2016 | 06:31 AM
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'Giveaways' made you the highest paid airline pilots? Interesting perspective. Can you point us to the mythical airline pilot leadership to which you seem to aspire?
I agree that the recent TA was completely substandard given record profits, but that doesn't change the reality of the previous 15 years. I think your new MEC leadership would be the first to tell you that it is not easy to deliver a contract that exceeds the rest of the industry's pilots by a large margin, but we are all rooting for them.
I agree that the recent TA was completely substandard given record profits, but that doesn't change the reality of the previous 15 years. I think your new MEC leadership would be the first to tell you that it is not easy to deliver a contract that exceeds the rest of the industry's pilots by a large margin, but we are all rooting for them.
I was trying to get you to understand that just because you out post everyone, you're not going to convince the majority of that we are the highest paid pilots. We are not and we all have friends at Fedex. We know better.
You're welcome to have the last word, the floor is yours, I'm done feeding you.
03-15-2016 | 06:44 AM
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I said 'airline' pilots. Fedex is not a passenger airline though it appears that the passenger carriers are finally becoming as reliably profitable as cargo airlines. Time will tell.
03-15-2016 | 06:46 AM
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Thank you for your service. I do mean that. The YES stratagem is the only strategy that could have worked in and coming out of bankruptcy. The problem lies in the failure to recognize we are no longer in or even close to bankruptcy.
The record profits are a complete opposite situation. The rest of the company has been made more than whole, we have not. Its really that simple. UAL has set the standard of no concessions in these times while achieving higher rates. To settle for less is to undercut their achievement. Pattern bargaining for gains in this environment is the only sensible route.
The record profits are a complete opposite situation. The rest of the company has been made more than whole, we have not. Its really that simple. UAL has set the standard of no concessions in these times while achieving higher rates. To settle for less is to undercut their achievement. Pattern bargaining for gains in this environment is the only sensible route.
03-15-2016 | 08:32 AM
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'Giveaways' made you the highest paid airline pilots? Interesting perspective. Can you point us to the mythical airline pilot leadership to which you seem to aspire?
I agree that the recent TA was completely substandard given record profits, but that doesn't change the reality of the previous 15 years. I think your new MEC leadership would be the first to tell you that it is not easy to deliver a contract that exceeds the rest of the industry's pilots by a large margin, but we are all rooting for them.
I agree that the recent TA was completely substandard given record profits, but that doesn't change the reality of the previous 15 years. I think your new MEC leadership would be the first to tell you that it is not easy to deliver a contract that exceeds the rest of the industry's pilots by a large margin, but we are all rooting for them.
Highest paid, but no retirement. 20% below our 2005 rates. Alpa failed, so don't pat them on the back. They collected plenty of dues, Moak made himself wealthy and moved on.
It's time to admit our union failed it's fundamental mission.
Respectfully,
Hank
03-15-2016 | 09:31 AM
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Far too many pilots especially those who frequent forums simply don't want to acknowledge the reality of political and industrial landscape. Please point me to the pilot union that has done a better job. I am all ears.
How wealthy is he exactly and how did he acquire this level of wealth?
03-15-2016 | 09:56 AM
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2005 is as irrelevant as the regulated days when a Captain could buy a Cadillac on a month's pay. The bankruptcy laws are heavily tilted against us, and we got predictably crushed. DALPA weathered the storm better than any airline pilot group.
Far too many pilots especially those who frequent forums simply don't want to acknowledge the reality of political and industrial landscape. Please point me to the pilot union that has done a better job. I am all ears.
How wealthy is he exactly and how did he acquire this level of wealth?
Far too many pilots especially those who frequent forums simply don't want to acknowledge the reality of political and industrial landscape. Please point me to the pilot union that has done a better job. I am all ears.
How wealthy is he exactly and how did he acquire this level of wealth?
03-15-2016 | 10:15 AM
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I know several pilots who have taken leaves to pursue personal ventures who are far from wealthy. Does anyone have any specific evidence of this assertion or should we just chalk it up to gossip.
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