Delta Captain Upgrade
#111
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#112
Holy Mother of God, a thousand times yes!!!
It may be cool enough outside for the ramp to not put on the air, and it may be ok in the cabin before you start boarding- but if there is even a little humidity, those 150 or so self-loading heaters coming on make it quickly unbearable!! Please, please, please have mercy of those of us in polyester!!
It may be cool enough outside for the ramp to not put on the air, and it may be ok in the cabin before you start boarding- but if there is even a little humidity, those 150 or so self-loading heaters coming on make it quickly unbearable!! Please, please, please have mercy of those of us in polyester!!
#113
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From: Narrow/Left Wide/Right
I flew MD80s for years and I'm no superpilot. What is with all of the talk of what a handful it is? I don't see much difference between that and a CRJ200... which has had low experience upgrades for years and years.
Factor in all the proper pieces in place at Delta from MX to Dispatch to rampers and it's a walk in the park compared to Allegiant who has dozens of new hire captains in the MD80 and all the support of your average Part 135 outfit and an abysmal MX record. Oh and flights to small runways. In fact I would love to see a Delta pilot fly into Ogden, Provo or Roanoke with four MELs and snow like we do every year. Yet the hiring department at Delta has no time for us.
Factor in all the proper pieces in place at Delta from MX to Dispatch to rampers and it's a walk in the park compared to Allegiant who has dozens of new hire captains in the MD80 and all the support of your average Part 135 outfit and an abysmal MX record. Oh and flights to small runways. In fact I would love to see a Delta pilot fly into Ogden, Provo or Roanoke with four MELs and snow like we do every year. Yet the hiring department at Delta has no time for us.
Hope you can get on as soon as possible. IMHO the best thing Delta has done since BK days is to put a laser focus on completion and reliability and will go to great lengths to minimize delays and not cancel a single mainline flight when possible.
I agree that some travelers expectations are a little high..... One morning after a 1.5 hour delay for a flight to MIA, I had three different pax say they were going to miss their cruise ship boarding window that they had planned to walk off the plane and go straight to on an extremely cold winter's Saturday morning. No room for error. I felt bad and our company had let them down.... but there was nothing I could do, and I hate that feeling.
The other day at the airport I saw a late 50's couple, woman crying, both on cell phones with their ALG receipt from their printer in their hand frantically trying to call someone at ALG due to a recently canxed flight. I couldn't even make out the reason they were both upset, but it didn't really matter. They asked me as I walked by (in different company uniform) if I knew of any way to help get a hold of ALG. I walked them over to the airport info guy who was at his desk about 25' away and I said do you have any special number or way to talk to someone? Apparently, the ALG ticket desk had shut down and vacated for the day and the couple felt abandoned. He looked at all of us and said, "no, and daily I have crying disappointed passengers here that ALG has left stranded".
Of course he was probably exaggerating to make the people feel better, and I had to leave to catch my JS, so I have no idea what happened in the end, but that kind of unreliability and reputation will catch up to a travel company eventually if it is widespread enough.
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From: 7ER B...whatever that means.
PBS Is terrible for the junior pilot. You can plan on working most weekends and every holiday flying the worst trips in the bid package.
I've seen junior pilots awarded back to back to back 4 day trips over Christmas all the way through January 3. If the contract allows it, FAR 117 allows this with 30 hour layovers.
If you're on reserve plan on a huge block of reserve days over the holidays.
Senior pilots will bid in when they can avoid the worst of PBS. The junior Captain's progression forward will be a long road.
We gave Delta the PBS system with hardly a whimper from ALPA......That's why our last TA had a little extra pay for CQ and vacation but no credit towards the ALV. The company will exploit this as much as possible.
I've seen junior pilots awarded back to back to back 4 day trips over Christmas all the way through January 3. If the contract allows it, FAR 117 allows this with 30 hour layovers.
If you're on reserve plan on a huge block of reserve days over the holidays.
Senior pilots will bid in when they can avoid the worst of PBS. The junior Captain's progression forward will be a long road.
We gave Delta the PBS system with hardly a whimper from ALPA......That's why our last TA had a little extra pay for CQ and vacation but no credit towards the ALV. The company will exploit this as much as possible.
#116
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From: FE, FO, CAPT.
"Back in the day", when Delta started up Delta Express (anyone remember that?) and the pilots were on a lower pay scale, there were second officers who had NEVER flown either captain, or copilot on a Delta jet who up-graded directly to captain on the express operation.
Many wise people predicted dired consequences, but everyone did just fine. Anyone Delta hires has the experience and ability to be trained to fly captain day one.
Never underestimate pilots' survival instincts....
Many wise people predicted dired consequences, but everyone did just fine. Anyone Delta hires has the experience and ability to be trained to fly captain day one.
Never underestimate pilots' survival instincts....
#117
"Back in the day", when Delta started up Delta Express (anyone remember that?) and the pilots were on a lower pay scale, there were second officers who had NEVER flown either captain, or copilot on a Delta jet who up-graded directly to captain on the express operation.
Many wise people predicted dired consequences, but everyone did just fine. Anyone Delta hires has the experience and ability to be trained to fly captain day one.
Never underestimate pilots' survival instincts....
Many wise people predicted dired consequences, but everyone did just fine. Anyone Delta hires has the experience and ability to be trained to fly captain day one.
Never underestimate pilots' survival instincts....

Carry express forward. The airline is standardized, maybe excessively. Standardization is good. Try to fly the same flight over and over every flight and you get pretty darn good at doing your job.
All the new-hire captains in NYC were 88 FOs in NYC. I'm pretty sure they got this.
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I was identical in flying times for a 2007 hire. 2000 of that airline flying was CRJ captain. 2.7 GPA, though.
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