Delta Captain Upgrade
03-18-2016 | 05:14 AM
#81
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From: 777B
Personally, I know where I stand. Thank God for NH FOs! They earn their beer with me! Just trying to understand the OPs initial argument. According to him, I shouldn't be flying his family around until I had downbid to 88B from 7ERB to gain experience in the plane.
It's a great time to be a new pilot at Delta.
Now, if 330A would go more junior, I'd be happy.
03-18-2016 | 05:35 AM
#82
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No, I'm saying that an MD-88 is not the same kind of plane as the one that someone has possibly flown before, i.e. A regional jet or 737 for example. In the even of an emergency, do I really want someone who has pretty much been on reserve for most of their new career at Delta, someone who has had possibly one PC prior to upgrade and then move into the left seat of an entirely new aircraft? And, you're going to rely on training and IOE to "season" someone enough to become a CA?
Let's imagine this CA, who has been on property for a year and a half with a month or two experience in the MD-88 has an incident, heaven forbid. The class action lawsuit that would result from this would be unimaginable. Then, just imagine Congress' response. The risk management alone is making my head hurt.
Seriously Packrat, I'm really starting to question if you're actually a pilot or just a groupie.
Let's imagine this CA, who has been on property for a year and a half with a month or two experience in the MD-88 has an incident, heaven forbid. The class action lawsuit that would result from this would be unimaginable. Then, just imagine Congress' response. The risk management alone is making my head hurt.
Seriously Packrat, I'm really starting to question if you're actually a pilot or just a groupie.
Anyone sitting in the captains seat at a legacy is qualified to be there, same with JB/SWA.
I'll let you decide on the ULCCs
03-18-2016 | 05:41 AM
#83
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From: Light Chop
03-18-2016 | 05:52 AM
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From: A320 Left seat
It's great that guys are getting an opportunity for early upgrade, but what does that say about the current state of our airline (and those junior Capt lines) that thousands would rather bypass Capt? Quality of Life counts for a lot obviously and we need to get at least some of it back with this contract.
In my opinion, it's not just a function of junior MD88 Captain....it's being the junior MD88 Captain in NYC. Covering 3 airports, and the commute to NYC in general. I've done the commute, and it's not bad most of the time but thunderstorms within 500 miles or snowstorms can shut the place down faster than anywhere in the world. Although snow of any kind can shut ATL down faster, luckily that's not too common.
03-18-2016 | 06:09 AM
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So let me get this straight: you could be hired into a 737 at Delta a year and five months ago, then upgrade to CA in a MD-88?
First off, that's very quick.
Second, if this came out in the press, do you think there will be some sort of backlash by the public in regards to safety? I do not think I would want to fly with a CA in that position, nor would I want to be a CA in that position. If my wife was a FA at Delta, I do not think I'd be comfortable with that either.
But, all that being said, I'm sure there's some sort of restriction on when you can upgrade.
First off, that's very quick.
Second, if this came out in the press, do you think there will be some sort of backlash by the public in regards to safety? I do not think I would want to fly with a CA in that position, nor would I want to be a CA in that position. If my wife was a FA at Delta, I do not think I'd be comfortable with that either.
But, all that being said, I'm sure there's some sort of restriction on when you can upgrade.
03-18-2016 | 06:13 AM
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So let me get this straight: you could be hired into a 737 at Delta a year and five months ago, then upgrade to CA in a MD-88?
First off, that's very quick.
Second, if this came out in the press, do you think there will be some sort of backlash by the public in regards to safety? I do not think I would want to fly with a CA in that position, nor would I want to be a CA in that position. If my wife was a FA at Delta, I do not think I'd be comfortable with that either.
But, all that being said, I'm sure there's some sort of restriction on when you can upgrade.
First off, that's very quick.
Second, if this came out in the press, do you think there will be some sort of backlash by the public in regards to safety? I do not think I would want to fly with a CA in that position, nor would I want to be a CA in that position. If my wife was a FA at Delta, I do not think I'd be comfortable with that either.
But, all that being said, I'm sure there's some sort of restriction on when you can upgrade.
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03-18-2016 | 06:23 AM
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PBS Is terrible for the junior pilot. You can plan on working most weekends and every holiday flying the worst trips in the bid package.
I've seen junior pilots awarded back to back to back 4 day trips over Christmas all the way through January 3. FAR 117 allows this with 30 hour layovers.
If you're on reserve plan on a huge block of reserve days over the holidays.
Senior pilots will bid in when they can avoid the worst of PBS. The junior Captain's progression forward will be a long road.
We gave Delta the PBS system with hardly a whimper from ALPA......That's why our last TA had a little extra pay for CQ and vacation but no credit towards the ALV. The company will exploit this as much as possible.
I've seen junior pilots awarded back to back to back 4 day trips over Christmas all the way through January 3. FAR 117 allows this with 30 hour layovers.
If you're on reserve plan on a huge block of reserve days over the holidays.
Senior pilots will bid in when they can avoid the worst of PBS. The junior Captain's progression forward will be a long road.
We gave Delta the PBS system with hardly a whimper from ALPA......That's why our last TA had a little extra pay for CQ and vacation but no credit towards the ALV. The company will exploit this as much as possible.
03-18-2016 | 06:24 AM
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As far as a pure intl category ala the 767-400, A330 and 777, it depends on reserve or lineholder. Reserve goes very senior on these airplanes and to hold weekends off on res would require at least 16 years. The good thing about 6 and 7 day trips is that if you do 2 a month, you automatically get a couple weekends off too. As a junior guy on the 767-400 I can get 2 weekends off a month if I bid a line and I'm a 2001 hire.
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