Delta Captain Upgrade
03-18-2016 | 11:51 AM
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So let me get this straight: you could be hired into a 737 at Delta a year and five months ago, then upgrade to CA in a MD-88?
First off, that's very quick.
Second, if this came out in the press, do you think there will be some sort of backlash by the public in regards to safety? I do not think I would want to fly with a CA in that position, nor would I want to be a CA in that position. If my wife was a FA at Delta, I do not think I'd be comfortable with that either.
But, all that being said, I'm sure there's some sort of restriction on when you can upgrade.
First off, that's very quick.
Second, if this came out in the press, do you think there will be some sort of backlash by the public in regards to safety? I do not think I would want to fly with a CA in that position, nor would I want to be a CA in that position. If my wife was a FA at Delta, I do not think I'd be comfortable with that either.
But, all that being said, I'm sure there's some sort of restriction on when you can upgrade.
03-18-2016 | 11:59 AM
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It's almost three years now but we also have a common fleet so any new captains these days have been in the plane a few years.
I think his concerns are kind of baseless but they did things differently in the air force when changing types according to a post he made. Just a frame of reference thing I imagine. I don't know the guy personally but I think he's in the training department and our training program is a little weak in the 121 world (not a reflection of our great instructors) and there is no doubt we are not exactly hiring the best of the best these days so I'm sure he sees some stuff everyday that could make him a bit nervous.
I think his concerns are kind of baseless but they did things differently in the air force when changing types according to a post he made. Just a frame of reference thing I imagine. I don't know the guy personally but I think he's in the training department and our training program is a little weak in the 121 world (not a reflection of our great instructors) and there is no doubt we are not exactly hiring the best of the best these days so I'm sure he sees some stuff everyday that could make him a bit nervous.
03-18-2016 | 01:34 PM
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I flew MD80s for years and I'm no superpilot. What is with all of the talk of what a handful it is? I don't see much difference between that and a CRJ200... which has had low experience upgrades for years and years.
Factor in all the proper pieces in place at Delta from MX to Dispatch to rampers and it's a walk in the park compared to Allegiant who has dozens of new hire captains in the MD80 and all the support of your average Part 135 outfit and an abysmal MX record. Oh and flights to small runways. In fact I would love to see a Delta pilot fly into Ogden, Provo or Roanoke with four MELs and snow like we do every year. Yet the hiring department at Delta has no time for us.
Factor in all the proper pieces in place at Delta from MX to Dispatch to rampers and it's a walk in the park compared to Allegiant who has dozens of new hire captains in the MD80 and all the support of your average Part 135 outfit and an abysmal MX record. Oh and flights to small runways. In fact I would love to see a Delta pilot fly into Ogden, Provo or Roanoke with four MELs and snow like we do every year. Yet the hiring department at Delta has no time for us.
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03-18-2016 | 01:52 PM
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I flew MD80s for years and I'm no superpilot. What is with all of the talk of what a handful it is? I don't see much difference between that and a CRJ200... which has had low experience upgrades for years and years.
Factor in all the proper pieces in place at Delta from MX to Dispatch to rampers and it's a walk in the park compared to Allegiant who has dozens of new hire captains in the MD80 and all the support of your average Part 135 outfit and an abysmal MX record. Oh and flights to small runways. In fact I would love to see a Delta pilot fly into Ogden, Provo or Roanoke with four MELs and snow like we do every year. Yet the hiring department at Delta has no time for us.
Factor in all the proper pieces in place at Delta from MX to Dispatch to rampers and it's a walk in the park compared to Allegiant who has dozens of new hire captains in the MD80 and all the support of your average Part 135 outfit and an abysmal MX record. Oh and flights to small runways. In fact I would love to see a Delta pilot fly into Ogden, Provo or Roanoke with four MELs and snow like we do every year. Yet the hiring department at Delta has no time for us.
If anything it's that the ALG Corp is an abomination to the industry and they hope for it to die under its own weight of missteps just short of killing anyone. Sort of like skybus.
03-18-2016 | 02:02 PM
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03-18-2016 | 02:35 PM
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Haha! Too true.
Drop the voice an octave on the PA and have the stones to face the passengers in the galley when you tell them their vacation is ruined and you've got the basics. Been there done that.
We are all professionals in our own right to have made it to this point. I agree that if Delta hired you then you have what it takes. If not then the system should work itself out. I just can't make sense of the refusal to hire qualified Captains at airlines with your same aircraft and never will. Delta is a great company regardless and I wish you all the best. Apologies for the rant.
Drop the voice an octave on the PA and have the stones to face the passengers in the galley when you tell them their vacation is ruined and you've got the basics. Been there done that.
We are all professionals in our own right to have made it to this point. I agree that if Delta hired you then you have what it takes. If not then the system should work itself out. I just can't make sense of the refusal to hire qualified Captains at airlines with your same aircraft and never will. Delta is a great company regardless and I wish you all the best. Apologies for the rant.
03-18-2016 | 02:52 PM
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No, I'm saying that an MD-88 is not the same kind of plane as the one that someone has possibly flown before, i.e. A regional jet or 737 for example. In the even of an emergency, do I really want someone who has pretty much been on reserve for most of their new career at Delta, someone who has had possibly one PC prior to upgrade and then move into the left seat of an entirely new aircraft? And, you're going to rely on training and IOE to "season" someone enough to become a CA?
Let's imagine this CA, who has been on property for a year and a half with a month or two experience in the MD-88 has an incident, heaven forbid. The class action lawsuit that would result from this would be unimaginable. Then, just imagine Congress' response. The risk management alone is making my head hurt.
Seriously Packrat, I'm really starting to question if you're actually a pilot or just a groupie.
Let's imagine this CA, who has been on property for a year and a half with a month or two experience in the MD-88 has an incident, heaven forbid. The class action lawsuit that would result from this would be unimaginable. Then, just imagine Congress' response. The risk management alone is making my head hurt.
Seriously Packrat, I'm really starting to question if you're actually a pilot or just a groupie.
03-18-2016 | 03:22 PM
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