Why Delta is VA's Most Likely Suitor
03-27-2016 | 03:21 AM
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03-27-2016 | 03:27 AM
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Take a look at Reroute's post where he says the fence will only be 5 years yet there was a 20 year fence in the NWA/RC merger.
None of us know how it would go, that is just my opinion.
I highly doubt Delta will merge with Virgin, but if we do Virgin will be a virgin no more.
03-27-2016 | 05:05 AM
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No way would there be a 25 year fence, more like 5 years. The list construction would be based on the credibility of your proposal, consistent with the the merger policy in effect at the time of the merger. In this case it would be an ALPA-ALPA merger, the factors to be considered in constructing a fair list in no particular order, or weight are:
This process, with these guidelines has recently been followed with regards to the CAL-UAL merger. The success or failure of a pilot group in an SLI is likely directly proportional to their merger committee's understanding of the guidelines established by policy, the fidelity of their proposal consistent with that policy, and their credibility with the arbitrators who would likely be the final authority on the list construction.
- Career expectactions
- Longevity, and
- Status and Category
This process, with these guidelines has recently been followed with regards to the CAL-UAL merger. The success or failure of a pilot group in an SLI is likely directly proportional to their merger committee's understanding of the guidelines established by policy, the fidelity of their proposal consistent with that policy, and their credibility with the arbitrators who would likely be the final authority on the list construction.
You mention other mergers and how they turned out, well you also have to look at the aircraft that they brought to the table and years of service that the pilots had.
Virgin is a very small, soley narrowbody aircraft airline established in what 2007? So the most senior pilot would have nine years of longevity and would hold captain on an a320.
So I don't see it going as well as you might think.
03-27-2016 | 08:13 AM
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The reality is that the group that brings the strongest argument, consistent with the goals established by policy, will have the greater influence in the end result.
03-27-2016 | 08:35 AM
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Your point about the size of the airline, the aircraft they bring to the merger and the longevity of the pilots are all considerations which would need to be weighed if there were a merger.
03-27-2016 | 10:46 AM
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I'm not putting a lot of credit on the status and category part, it is simply just one of three considerations, by policy and in no particular order, which should be considered when building a fair list.
I agree completely, which is why category and status, as well as longevity and career expectations are considerations when building a model to develop a fair and equitable list. In the CAL/UAL integration 65% weight was given to category and status, 35% weight to longevity.
Well first of all, I never said it would go well, but I do believe that the group that brings the most credible position to the integration will have a greater impact on the final list if there were a merger, which is still speculative at this point.
Your point about the size of the airline, the aircraft they bring to the merger and the longevity of the pilots are all considerations which would need to be weighed if there were a merger.
I agree completely, which is why category and status, as well as longevity and career expectations are considerations when building a model to develop a fair and equitable list. In the CAL/UAL integration 65% weight was given to category and status, 35% weight to longevity.
Well first of all, I never said it would go well, but I do believe that the group that brings the most credible position to the integration will have a greater impact on the final list if there were a merger, which is still speculative at this point.
Your point about the size of the airline, the aircraft they bring to the merger and the longevity of the pilots are all considerations which would need to be weighed if there were a merger.
03-27-2016 | 01:16 PM
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I know who he is.
Still upset about your buddy Harwood getting the very well deserved boot? (clearly you deserved it as well far more than I thought given your behavior as of late)
Anyways... a VA merger isn't going to happen, and the reality is in between on how the SLI would play out.
Still upset about your buddy Harwood getting the very well deserved boot? (clearly you deserved it as well far more than I thought given your behavior as of late)
Anyways... a VA merger isn't going to happen, and the reality is in between on how the SLI would play out.
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