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Old 04-05-2016 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 3 green
I agree. But I don't think a single pilot has not been paid for refusing an extension. All intimidation.
I don't quite think that asking the reason you are refusing a extension is intimidation. All I have ever had is a simple phone call asking why. Once a follow up from the CP's office. Paid every time.
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Old 04-05-2016 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by satchip
On a three day now. 5 reroutes so far. Non a single leg on the original rotation. 1st leg cnx due to EWR fire. After that its been a constant cluster. We are imploding....

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File the reroute grievance!! Even if you don't understand it, file it.
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Old 04-05-2016 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by WhatNow
I don't quite think that asking the reason you are refusing a extension is intimidation. All I have ever had is a simple phone call asking why. Once a follow up from the CP's office. Paid every time.
Really. I'm going to accept the assumption that the people working for the "company" are smart, intelligent people. What reasons other than fatigue or reaching a point where one is unfit for duty would there be for not extending a 12+ hour duty day?
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Old 04-05-2016 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
"4F1" is the contractual section that the company applied to your rotation to determine your pay (4= the Min Pay and Credit Guarantee section, F = Rotation Guarantee. You were actually under 4.F.1.b.2), with the "R" being a code for the reroute.
that is some serious knowledge.
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Old 04-05-2016 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16
that is some serious knowledge.
Ehhhh.....just a marginal ability to read the PWA.
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Old 04-06-2016 | 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
Ehhhh.....just a marginal ability to read the PWA.
Most guys don't even do that. They just assume it says something because they were told it does by someone else. Same with TAs, memos, and bulletins.
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Old 04-06-2016 | 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
Most guys don't even do that. They just assume it says something because they were told it does by someone else. Same with TAs, memos, and bulletins.
"We didn't think they'd do that".........
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Old 04-06-2016 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
Ehhhh.....just a marginal ability to read the PWA.
It's actually printed somewhere?
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Old 04-06-2016 | 08:10 AM
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The problem with reading the contract is that you can find a paragraph describing exactly your situation, but it turns out to have been superseded by a LOA/MOU, or an exception, etc. Agree, there's a lot of bad gouge spouted by the sea lawyers. It's complicated.
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Old 04-06-2016 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirtdiver
The problem with reading the contract is that you can find a paragraph describing exactly your situation, but it turns out to have been superseded by a LOA/MOU, or an exception, etc. Agree, there's a lot of bad gouge spouted by the sea lawyers. It's complicated.
Even with a LOA/MOU at least one can find a written reference. It is the "past practices" or "accepted interpretation" which aren't written that torque me, especially when the language of the PWA is unambiguous.
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