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Old 06-16-2016 | 05:28 AM
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Yet another issue management already has the means to 'fix'.
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Old 06-16-2016 | 10:50 AM
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I, for one, am really glad for the discussion here on this. While I may have misread the MEC meeting note - i.e. maybe only audits were being addressed, and not ALL Mil leave - it's been a good discussion. I hope I did misread, and jump the gun.

That being said, I have noticed a growing hostility about this. As an anecdotal data point of one single interview group, in a recent group the only people who did not get the job offer were people currently in the guard or reserve, to include my buddy who was one of those. Him: nicest guy you'll ever meet, F-22 driver, graduate degree, does all the volunteer work, currently employed by the reserves and by the FAA in Flight Test. They told him it was because of some bad grades his freshman year of college, then kept his transcript for a file. I'm assuming for probable deniability should anyone ever ask "why?"

Many of the above posters have pointed out corectly; I do mil duty because I still want to serve, and it's fun, and I like all the bros, and I view it as a form of income diversification. I'm new here, but I know darn well that this job could vanish tomorrow. For all the company's talk of loyalty, that's a one way street if their stock value improves by cutting 1,000 of us tonight.
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Old 06-16-2016 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Banzai
I, for one, am really glad for the discussion here on this. While I may have misread the MEC meeting note - i.e. maybe only audits were being addressed, and not ALL Mil leave - it's been a good discussion. I hope I did misread, and jump the gun.

That being said, I have noticed a growing hostility about this. As an anecdotal data point of one single interview group, in a recent group the only people who did not get the job offer were people currently in the guard or reserve, to include my buddy who was one of those. Him: nicest guy you'll ever meet, F-22 driver, graduate degree, does all the volunteer work, currently employed by the reserves and by the FAA in Flight Test. They told him it was because of some bad grades his freshman year of college, then kept his transcript for a file. I'm assuming for probable deniability should anyone ever ask "why?"

Many of the above posters have pointed out corectly; I do mil duty because I still want to serve, and it's fun, and I like all the bros, and I view it as a form of income diversification. I'm new here, but I know darn well that this job could vanish tomorrow. For all the company's talk of loyalty, that's a one way street if their stock value improves by cutting 1,000 of us tonight.
I have never heard of Delta providing that kind of specific reason for not hiring someone. Statistically in the off the street hires they seem to be targeting military even with most in the guard or reserve.
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Old 06-16-2016 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Banzai
I, for one, am really glad for the discussion here on this. While I may have misread the MEC meeting note - i.e. maybe only audits were being addressed, and not ALL Mil leave - it's been a good discussion. I hope I did misread, and jump the gun.

That being said, I have noticed a growing hostility about this. As an anecdotal data point of one single interview group, in a recent group the only people who did not get the job offer were people currently in the guard or reserve, to include my buddy who was one of those. Him: nicest guy you'll ever meet, F-22 driver, graduate degree, does all the volunteer work, currently employed by the reserves and by the FAA in Flight Test. They told him it was because of some bad grades his freshman year of college, then kept his transcript for a file. I'm assuming for probable deniability should anyone ever ask "why?"

Many of the above posters have pointed out corectly; I do mil duty because I still want to serve, and it's fun, and I like all the bros, and I view it as a form of income diversification. I'm new here, but I know darn well that this job could vanish tomorrow. For all the company's talk of loyalty, that's a one way street if their stock value improves by cutting 1,000 of us tonight.
If you fail the interview, an airline will never tell you exactly why you failed due to HR rules and lawsuits. Being in the guard or reserve has nothing to do with whether or not someone will get hired.
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Old 06-25-2016 | 09:34 AM
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Just heard a rumor that sick leave (even if verified) within seven days of mil leave auto triggers a "red flag." Wow.
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Old 06-25-2016 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SluggoC17
Just heard a rumor that sick leave (even if verified) within seven days of mil leave auto triggers a "red flag." Wow.

That is absurd, and if true just dilutes what the significance of a "red flag."

For example Pilot takes a week of MIL, returns flies a three day trip, two days later he gets sick and misses his next three day all within 7 days of Mil - this is flagworthy?

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Old 06-26-2016 | 04:30 AM
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Unfortunately, they are harassing pretty much anybody that has the audacity to not work a full schedule for Delta no matter the reason. The fact that they are willing to treat the military members that are making often huge sacrifices to continue serving should just give you an idea of the employer for whom you work. I have horror stories, and most every mil guy I know has their stories about D. If you haven't been harassed, I would venture to say that you are in the minority. Most likely your time will come. And it will **** you off because you bent over backwards to do everything right, but some A-hole that probably never served a day in his life thinks that he will get you to think twice next time before doing MLOA that conflicts with D's desires for you.

Very short-sighted. I will be in the mil for 2-3 more years. I will be a ****es off employee for the next 30 years. All of that free time I have when I am only working one job will be spent figuring out how I can get paid the most and work the least. I cannot imagine I will ever be fit enough to extend a duty day.

Good job, guys. You went after the good guys.
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Old 06-26-2016 | 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Banzai
. They told him it was because of some bad grades his freshman year of college, then kept his transcript for a file. I'm assuming for probable deniability should anyone ever ask "why?"
They never tell anyone "why?". Story smells.
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Old 06-26-2016 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by SluggoC17
Just heard a rumor that sick leave (even if verified) within seven days of mil leave auto triggers a "red flag." Wow.
Fact. I had some family issues that I had to get a trip dropped for. I did what I was told in indoc which is call the CPO...they are there to help in times like those. Well they called me back and told me my 3 sick calls in 2 years were suspicious. They all happened before or after mil leave (I had no clue.) I got a little defensive as it completely blindsided me. In the end the ACPO dropped the trip for me, but the fact that I was no kidding interrogated was complete BS. I have 33 more years to go and my view of the CPO is complete **** now. Good job Delta....
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Old 06-26-2016 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by duece12345
Fact. I had some family issues that I had to get a trip dropped for. I did what I was told in indoc which is call the CPO...they are there to help in times like those. Well they called me back and told me my 3 sick calls in 2 years were suspicious. They all happened before or after mil leave (I had no clue.) I got a little defensive as it completely blindsided me. In the end the ACPO dropped the trip for me, but the fact that I was no kidding interrogated was complete BS. I have 33 more years to go and my view of the CPO is complete **** now. Good job Delta....
This will continue until we get a different contract administrator. HP is a management appeaser with no back bone. We need a CA that will push back. Papa
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