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06-27-2016 | 04:09 AM
#61
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Some time ago, I dropped long term, short notice mil leave and got a phone call from the CPO. It went like this:
"Hey, BBM, I saw you dropped long-term, short notice mil leave."
"Yeah, the timing sucked. Nobody knew when the money was going to pop, but I sent in the orders just as soon as I got them."
"No problem. I just wanted to give you my number and let you know that we've got your back if you need anything. See you when you return."
That's about the norm for my (occasional and brief) interactions with the CPO office in my base. Reading your horror stories, I'm just glad I am where I am.
"Hey, BBM, I saw you dropped long-term, short notice mil leave."
"Yeah, the timing sucked. Nobody knew when the money was going to pop, but I sent in the orders just as soon as I got them."
"No problem. I just wanted to give you my number and let you know that we've got your back if you need anything. See you when you return."
That's about the norm for my (occasional and brief) interactions with the CPO office in my base. Reading your horror stories, I'm just glad I am where I am.
06-27-2016 | 04:15 AM
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I'm willing to bet a crisp Tubman that your base is not Lanna.
06-27-2016 | 05:36 AM
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My buddy said it best when he got flak too. He basically said people are jaded about the military which is why most of us left. After first year pay we are usually better off working for Delta. If the company just waits it out and treats us well, we will work our asses off for them. Accusing us of abusing mil leave, and treating us like this just sends us back into the the arms of our former abusive lover.
06-27-2016 | 07:24 AM
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And then there's the jackalope who drops a 3-year AGR on the company the day he gets off consolidation. Standard Blue Falcon Ricardo.... And we wonder why we can't have nice things.
Agree with Gunfighter on the prior posts. This isn't a crisis, nor something of a scale the company is incapable of handling privately. It's a PR opportunity for the company to shake the tree with idle threats and rationalize their decision to throttle back the non-retiree hiring while getting a pass on the effects said manning decision has on the QOL of those already on property.
My only dog in this fight is that it does, even anecdotally, hurt us non-retiree/non-full-separating mil types on the hiring front. It's illegal as hell to hold that against an applicant; then again I don't believe in the Easter bunny either. I've already been through the USERRA toilet paper dynamic with a prospective pedestrian employer 8 years ago, to know you'll never gain traction on proving an employer didn't hire you based on their perceived aversion to having Selected Reserve people in their manning roster.
Nancy was right: Just say NO to reservist-on-reservist crime.
Agree with Gunfighter on the prior posts. This isn't a crisis, nor something of a scale the company is incapable of handling privately. It's a PR opportunity for the company to shake the tree with idle threats and rationalize their decision to throttle back the non-retiree hiring while getting a pass on the effects said manning decision has on the QOL of those already on property.
My only dog in this fight is that it does, even anecdotally, hurt us non-retiree/non-full-separating mil types on the hiring front. It's illegal as hell to hold that against an applicant; then again I don't believe in the Easter bunny either. I've already been through the USERRA toilet paper dynamic with a prospective pedestrian employer 8 years ago, to know you'll never gain traction on proving an employer didn't hire you based on their perceived aversion to having Selected Reserve people in their manning roster.
Nancy was right: Just say NO to reservist-on-reservist crime.
Exactly.
Since we started hiring in 2014, we have hired just over 2350 pilots, 143 (approx 6%) of which are now out on long term mil leave... 6% doesn't sound like a lot, but the bean counters will tell you that's 143 folks that were interviewed, hired, went through initial training and IOE, a bit of line flying then disappeared, only to have to be replaced by someone else. Rinse and repeat, no wonder the new hire fleets are "short."
Most, if not all, will be back sooner rather than later, but almost all will require some refresher or full initial training again, further straining available training resources. If folks believe that this won't eventually affect hiring practices, I would submit that they are sadly mistaken. I'm sure the company senses a decreased return on investment WRT hiring current reservists. The data bears that out, and we all know how Delta feels about data.
06-27-2016 | 03:16 PM
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one would have to think management has zero sensitivity to adverse ROI in the employment of military reserve pilots......I mean if tossing away BILLIONS in the investment for fuel hedges and stock buybacks at the peak didn't elicit a reaction......cant see how they could possibly be in the least bit worked up about a handful of new hires.
only in the universe of getting pilots to eat their own and swallow yet another turd sandwich is such a fantasy entertained.
only in the universe of getting pilots to eat their own and swallow yet another turd sandwich is such a fantasy entertained.
06-27-2016 | 06:22 PM
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I've never wondered why the new hire fleets are short. Delta started hiring at least a year late, if not three. They have done nothing but increase fleet complexity in recent years, and they are seizing all opportunities to run the operation at red line to maximize profits. You can make false statements about running short being the result of MLOA, sick leave abuse, failure of pilots to fly enough overtime or any other misnomer, but that's MH2O you're carrying.
Works for me...class action lawsuit for discrimination ought to pay out even better than an OE buy-off.
See above. The data will, indeed, easily demonstrate hiring discrimination against military members should Delta go down the path of tweaking their formula to reduce exposure to them.
See above. The data will, indeed, easily demonstrate hiring discrimination against military members should Delta go down the path of tweaking their formula to reduce exposure to them.
06-27-2016 | 07:06 PM
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I've heard the CPs believe there are units that are abusing it. If the commander is signing the orders I guess his integrity is being questioned by the CPs too. Last time I checked if orders are signed it's legal mil leave.
My buddy said it best when he got flak too. He basically said people are jaded about the military which is why most of us left. After first year pay we are usually better off working for Delta. If the company just waits it out and treats us well, we will work our asses off for them. Accusing us of abusing mil leave, and treating us like this just sends us back into the the arms of our former abusive lover.
My buddy said it best when he got flak too. He basically said people are jaded about the military which is why most of us left. After first year pay we are usually better off working for Delta. If the company just waits it out and treats us well, we will work our asses off for them. Accusing us of abusing mil leave, and treating us like this just sends us back into the the arms of our former abusive lover.
06-28-2016 | 06:18 AM
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I've never wondered why the new hire fleets are short. Delta started hiring at least a year late, if not three. They have done nothing but increase fleet complexity in recent years, and they are seizing all opportunities to run the operation at red line to maximize profits. You can make false statements about running short being the result of MLOA, sick leave abuse, failure of pilots to fly enough overtime or any other misnomer, but that's MH2O you're carrying.
Works for me...class action lawsuit for discrimination ought to pay out even better than an OE buy-off.
See above. The data will, indeed, easily demonstrate hiring discrimination against military members should Delta go down the path of tweaking their formula to reduce exposure to them.
Works for me...class action lawsuit for discrimination ought to pay out even better than an OE buy-off.
See above. The data will, indeed, easily demonstrate hiring discrimination against military members should Delta go down the path of tweaking their formula to reduce exposure to them.
I reread my post and I should have been more clear. The MLOA is but one small factor. I agree with your assessment of the many factors of our being short staffed. I failed to expand my analysis. My apologies if I came across as carrying MH2O...🤔
My point was that a statistically significant number of current reservists the company has hired are out long term and that affects how they view potential future candidates.
If you look at the number of people out as a percentage of new hires who are current reservists, it's easily double digits.
Short staffed new hire fleets are a direct result of the company's action and inaction, and it will continue to be for the foreseeable future.
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06-28-2016 | 07:38 AM
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And we should not be punished or harassed for their lack of planning. A lack of planning on their part should not constitute an emergency on our part.
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