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Old 06-22-2016, 09:52 AM
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Trust me, I would love an ethics committee and investigation. I'd be willing to pay an assessment for this. It needs to start around the merger announcement thru POS15 and include top union officials along with senior management all under oath. The penalties should be severe and agreed to in advance if found guilty.




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Take the tin foil hat off. We were promised an ethics committee and that agreements in principle would be posted on the web page. Have you seen any of that from the 'reformer", or was he just pandering?
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Do you also have unicorns and leprechauns in the imaginary world where this happened?
No, just in your imaginary world.

In the meantime Team Zero, with Bartels as their leader will deliver nothing and use the pilot's contract as leverage for their own political ambitions. The November officer elections is all Bartels, Lewis and Schnitzler care about. Don't believe me, just watch them.

BTW, where is that ethics committee, web board posting of agreed to changes, and live streaming of MEC meetings we were promised. John Malone also needs to follow through with his promises.

This current bunch needs to be watched. Lots of FPL and expenses being paid out to cronies. Reps lining their pocket with dues money, dropping trips for ALPA when they aren't even at a meeting, then white slipping and green slipping. Reps getting paid 10:30 of FPL to picket for an hour. The 2nd quarter FPL report will be interesting, but apologist like you aren't interested in holding them accountable.
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Trust me, I would love an ethics committee and investigation. I'd be willing to pay an assessment for this. It needs to start around the merger announcement thru POS15 and include top union officials along with senior management all under oath. The penalties should be severe and agreed to in advance if found guilty.
Absolutely. Bartels and Lewis would be the first to be shown the door. Bartels for pretending to be a DTW pilot while living in San Diego and based in NYC and Lewis for doing what he has always done, leak closed session information to cronies like PurpleDrank.
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Old 06-22-2016, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Falcon7
JM promised an Ethics Committee, not the folks who were disgusted by the lies, half truths and innuendos circulated by the 8 no voting reps. I agree we need a vetted pro/con paper this time. We can't trust the no voting reps from TA2015 to care about the accuracy of their comm. I'm still waiting for that 3% pay raise they promised if the non contract employees got a raise.
Nobody promised a raise, they explained that the intent of 3B4 was to give raises when the pilots lag the industry average along side non pilot employees. The reps are not your scapegoat. It was explained in detail which was why the TA was examined in detail. The No voters were right, get over yourself.

The party that acted to temporarily circumvent a raise was management. Managements actions demonstrate their willingness to ignore contractual intent and exploit language. A lesson should have been learned from this but you continue to defend the actions of management and blame your fellow pilots.

Your anger and obsession with those who actually represented the pilots' will is sadly misplaced and you continue to attack the very people who have done their best to erase the damage you caused.
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Originally Posted by Falcon7
No, just in your imaginary world.

In the meantime Team Zero, with Bartels as their leader will deliver nothing and use the pilot's contract as leverage for their own political ambitions. The November officer elections is all Bartels, Lewis and Schnitzler care about. Don't believe me, just watch them.
TA2015 failed because it was extremely underwhelming and riddled with give backs, not because the group was swayed by a few with a political agenda. If what you say above is true and a few people try and stop a great deal for the vast majority they will be overridden and shown the door or worse. This is a smart group and Malone has it's trust.
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Old 06-22-2016, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Falcon7
No, just in your imaginary world.

In the meantime Team Zero, with Bartels as their leader will deliver nothing and use the pilot's contract as leverage for their own political ambitions. The November officer elections is all Bartels, Lewis and Schnitzler care about. Don't believe me, just watch them.

BTW, where is that ethics committee, web board posting of agreed to changes, and live streaming of MEC meetings we were promised. John Malone also needs to follow through with his promises.

This current bunch needs to be watched. Lots of FPL and expenses being paid out to cronies. Reps lining their pocket with dues money, dropping trips for ALPA when they aren't even at a meeting, then white slipping and green slipping. Reps getting paid 10:30 of FPL to picket for an hour. The 2nd quarter FPL report will be interesting, but apologist like you aren't interested in holding them accountable.
This post smells like Harwood and his poisonous venom.
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Old 06-22-2016, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Hawaii50
TA2015 failed because it was extremely underwhelming and riddled with give backs, not because the group was swayed by a few with a political agenda. If what you say above is true and a few people try and stop a great deal for the vast majority they will be overridden and shown the door or worse. This is a smart group and Malone has it's trust.
He is just frustrated and creating straw men.
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Originally Posted by Hawaii50
TA2015 failed because it was extremely underwhelming and riddled with give backs, not because the group was swayed by a few with a political agenda. If what you say above is true and a few people try and stop a great deal for the vast majority they will be overridden and shown the door or worse. This is a smart group and Malone has it's trust.
The opposite is true as well... If a few politically motivated reps try to push a concession loaded, fund your own raise POS in the best negotiating environment ever, they too will be overridden ( say by a 65-35 majority) and shown the door.... ( Wow! That sounds familiar for some reason!!
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Old 06-22-2016, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Falcon7
No, just in your imaginary world.

In the meantime Team Zero, with Bartels as their leader will deliver nothing and use the pilot's contract as leverage for their own political ambitions. The November officer elections is all Bartels, Lewis and Schnitzler care about. Don't believe me, just watch them.

BTW, where is that ethics committee, web board posting of agreed to changes, and live streaming of MEC meetings we were promised. John Malone also needs to follow through with his promises.

This current bunch needs to be watched. Lots of FPL and expenses being paid out to cronies. Reps lining their pocket with dues money, dropping trips for ALPA when they aren't even at a meeting, then white slipping and green slipping. Reps getting paid 10:30 of FPL to picket for an hour. The 2nd quarter FPL report will be interesting, but apologist like you aren't interested in holding them accountable.
Crap like that is what got DM voted out as Capt rep in DFW years ago. Who is dropping trips for ALPA work, then green/white slipping over the top of them? Inquiring minds and all that.

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Old 06-22-2016, 12:50 PM
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There were at least a couple of the POS15 "sales team" P2P guys who dropped for ALPA work and then green slipped. Including one sanctimonious guy from SLC who always lectures us about "integrity."
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