New Hire Numbers
07-19-2016 | 02:06 PM
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DO NOT FORGET...retirements have not really begun in earnest, and will not until the NEXT CONTRACT. If they are hiring their pants off, it's for growth in the operation and our contract should absolutely not suffer for that!
07-19-2016 | 02:39 PM
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07-19-2016 | 02:42 PM
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Like what?
I don't see anything in our contract that is holding them back from properly manning the operation. I am intensely leery of our side over-reacting, and misinterpreting a contractual issue for what is really a macroeconomic one.
There are some problems that can be solved by the simple passage of time, like QOL improvements for the new hires. Our contract and our relationship with management were once the biggest factors in a new hire's decision to select Delta. Now those factors are in jeopardy.
I'm going to need a sharp pencil, a calculator, and an espresso machine if we ever get a TA out of this. I want to know the costing behind every agreement-in-principle before I even consider my own decision.
I don't see anything in our contract that is holding them back from properly manning the operation. I am intensely leery of our side over-reacting, and misinterpreting a contractual issue for what is really a macroeconomic one.
There are some problems that can be solved by the simple passage of time, like QOL improvements for the new hires. Our contract and our relationship with management were once the biggest factors in a new hire's decision to select Delta. Now those factors are in jeopardy.
I'm going to need a sharp pencil, a calculator, and an espresso machine if we ever get a TA out of this. I want to know the costing behind every agreement-in-principle before I even consider my own decision.
Vacation ...pay no credit
Those are just two items that help them with manning.
07-20-2016 | 05:37 AM
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1. I am NOT interested in spending more time at work; the harder I work, the sooner I die. The ALV is fine where it is.
2. Vacation still isn't actually vacation. A vacation day is still worth less than a working day, and I hate watching my x-days get prorated. "Vacation" should mean exactly that, paid time off without penalty.
07-20-2016 | 08:10 AM
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Oh sure, I was just wondering about contractual items specific to the hiring situation. The other side is always going to want those two items. Let me be clear:
1. I am NOT interested in spending more time at work; the harder I work, the sooner I die. The ALV is fine where it is.
2. Vacation still isn't actually vacation. A vacation day is still worth less than a working day, and I hate watching my x-days get prorated. "Vacation" should mean exactly that, paid time off without penalty.
1. I am NOT interested in spending more time at work; the harder I work, the sooner I die. The ALV is fine where it is.
2. Vacation still isn't actually vacation. A vacation day is still worth less than a working day, and I hate watching my x-days get prorated. "Vacation" should mean exactly that, paid time off without penalty.
Hey rube, did somebody get ahold of your logon info?
I find myself agreeing with the above!
Denny
07-20-2016 | 10:22 AM
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Oh sure, I was just wondering about contractual items specific to the hiring situation. The other side is always going to want those two items. Let me be clear:
1. I am NOT interested in spending more time at work; the harder I work, the sooner I die. The ALV is fine where it is.
2. Vacation still isn't actually vacation. A vacation day is still worth less than a working day, and I hate watching my x-days get prorated. "Vacation" should mean exactly that, paid time off without penalty.
1. I am NOT interested in spending more time at work; the harder I work, the sooner I die. The ALV is fine where it is.
2. Vacation still isn't actually vacation. A vacation day is still worth less than a working day, and I hate watching my x-days get prorated. "Vacation" should mean exactly that, paid time off without penalty.
I get that doing so would represent a huge increase, and I'm willing to transition to that over 2 contracts or so. But this time around it needs to be 4-4:30 (P&C) or the entire section is insufficient. In no case should we even remotely entertain "pay no credit" and any management sympathizer flight pay loss guy/gal who says that's to "help pilots who want to work more" need to be corrected with extreme prejudice.
I disagree with helping pilots who want to work more do so, as we work more than enough. But even if you agree with allowing that, vaca improvements need to be P&C at least for the initial line award. That way you actually get that credit time equivalent off. Then we can back that out of the max pick up or whatever to help out the dudes blowing 150K per kid on water color history/climate change degrees
07-20-2016 | 03:58 PM
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Exactly. Vacate needs to be 5:15 per day, pay AND credit.
I get that doing so would represent a huge increase, and I'm willing to transition to that over 2 contracts or so. But this time around it needs to be 4-4:30 (P&C) or the entire section is insufficient. In no case should we even remotely entertain "pay no credit" and any management sympathizer flight pay loss guy/gal who says that's to "help pilots who want to work more" need to be corrected with extreme prejudice.
I disagree with helping pilots who want to work more do so, as we work more than enough. But even if you agree with allowing that, vaca improvements need to be P&C at least for the initial line award. That way you actually get that credit time equivalent off. Then we can back that out of the max pick up or whatever to help out the dudes blowing 150K per kid on water color history/climate change degrees
I get that doing so would represent a huge increase, and I'm willing to transition to that over 2 contracts or so. But this time around it needs to be 4-4:30 (P&C) or the entire section is insufficient. In no case should we even remotely entertain "pay no credit" and any management sympathizer flight pay loss guy/gal who says that's to "help pilots who want to work more" need to be corrected with extreme prejudice.
I disagree with helping pilots who want to work more do so, as we work more than enough. But even if you agree with allowing that, vaca improvements need to be P&C at least for the initial line award. That way you actually get that credit time equivalent off. Then we can back that out of the max pick up or whatever to help out the dudes blowing 150K per kid on water color history/climate change degrees
And I want a full free bar in the pilot lounge instead of some stupid spa to criticize my uniform
07-21-2016 | 04:25 AM
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ALV should be capped at 80 or lower. Take away the pick up limit if they want, there is always someone, who for whatever reason, wants to fly as much as possible in a certain month. But I'm tired of 84 ALV and getting 90 hour lines.
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