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Originally Posted by kobaracing1
(Post 2184163)
Hopefully you will remain clear of representing dal pilots.
Also, I'd probably achieve gains for our pilot group, so I'd never fit in with our MEC, which hasn't achieved a blessed thing. |
Originally Posted by Dat jet
(Post 2184023)
If it's gonna get shot down...which this TA would....I don't want to see it come to vote.
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Originally Posted by D Mantooth
(Post 2184195)
I agree that we are in a sweet spot. I agree that we shouldn't waste it, as those of us who were here for the bad times know that those sweet spots don't last forever. Ask the APA in 2001.
It seems that the MEC is (against the advice of the NC, the administration, the attorneys, and the NMB) passing up a great deal to try for the perfect deal (which doesn't exist). If we waste this fleeting opportunity, we'll have nobody to blame but ourselves. |
Originally Posted by Seaslap8
(Post 2184204)
Evidently polling data indicates otherwise.
TA is weeks away at best, we are not giving scope or profit sharing concessions. You know the phone calls between Ed and John are the real negotiations done behind the scenes. The NMB can't stop those. If Ed wants a deal, he'll have to come with cash, not lawyers. I already have one on retainer who is going to review the language of whatever TA we get. 60 days to pick it apart with a pro/con paper and I'm still not taking any chances. Do it right or don't do it at all. If they try to shorten it to 45 days, you know what's up. |
Originally Posted by notEnuf
(Post 2184232)
Another one privy to polling data who knows better than you. :confused::rolleyes:
TA is weeks away at best, we are not giving scope or profit sharing concessions. You know the phone calls between Ed and John are the real negotiations done behind the scenes. The NMB can't stop those. If Ed wants a deal, he'll have to come with cash, not lawyers. I already have one on retainer who is going to review the language of whatever TA we get. 60 days to pick it apart with a pro/con paper and I'm still not taking any chances. Do it right or don't do it at all. If they try to shorten it to 45 days, you know what's up. |
Originally Posted by Hawaii50
(Post 2184253)
You have a lawyer on retainer to review the possible TA? Wow.
If we get something soon the retro will cover it. |
Originally Posted by Dat jet
(Post 2184014)
One poster alluded to a 28% pay raise....well a 28% pay raise, even with no changes to profit sharing won't pass a pilot vote right now. A TA with that pay raise would get shot down, and when you consider sick leave, VB, etc....its only going to anger and frurther infuriate the pilot base. Those hourly pay rates for our 767s don't even come within a solar system of the UPS 767 hourly pay rates.
Before anyone chimes in....PAY RATES AND PROFIT SHARING ARE TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES.....DO NOT LUMP THEM IN TOGETHER |
Originally Posted by Dat jet
(Post 2184014)
One poster alluded to a 28% pay raise....well a 28% pay raise, even with no changes to profit sharing won't pass a pilot vote right now. A TA with that pay raise would get shot down, and when you consider sick leave, VB, etc....its only going to anger and frurther infuriate the pilot base. Those hourly pay rates for our 767s don't even come within a solar system of the UPS 767 hourly pay rates.
Before anyone chimes in....PAY RATES AND PROFIT SHARING ARE TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES.....DO NOT LUMP THEM IN TOGETHER The point is, you are cherrypicking a contract that is vastly different than ours. Tell me how you plan on rectifying that. |
Originally Posted by marcal
(Post 2184344)
I disagree. That would pass.
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Originally Posted by D Mantooth
(Post 2184195)
I agree that we are in a sweet spot. I agree that we shouldn't waste it, as those of us who were here for the bad times know that those sweet spots don't last forever. Ask the APA in 2001.
It seems that the MEC is (against the advice of the NC, the administration, the attorneys, and the NMB) passing up a great deal to try for the perfect deal (which doesn't exist). If we waste this fleeting opportunity, we'll have nobody to blame but ourselves. This is the problem. We are hearing two distinctively different versions coming from the MEC: From the Dirty Dozen - The company has barely moved of its inadequate last offer. If this is the case No brainer, keep at it and come back when we get a better offer. From the Magnificent 7 - We are within reach of a very good deal but internal squabbles may prevent us from bringing it to fruition. Also a No brainer - Bring us a TA and let the Pilots decide. The problem is both of these stories can not be true. My bet is its probably somewhere in between. Scoop |
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