I don't care what they buy either.

But I do care where OUR pax fly because it is OUR airline and OUR network because it is OUR scope. If they want to fly the world in A321's, more power to them. But they have to do the same thing at AF/VA/CS/KLM/AFlot/AM/etc.

This is exactly why we need both ESK and block hour protections, and on a per theatre and per JV basis.

There can be a reasonable degree of "flexibility" in there, like staggered balancing periods where they can be below ESK's by a certain amount for a couple years as long as they're over the block hour amount or vice versa, but long term they need to balance the whole thing out.

They absolutely can NOT be trusted on this. We need to move from "gee we didn't think they'd do that" to automatically assuming they WILL do the absolute worst case version of what they could do with every letter of language in the PWA.

Instead we have guys more worried about the TVM of a one time 8% rate increase than the future of our pilot group's jobs going forward.

 

I am starting to wonder if you work for Delta. Our less then average and paltry international flying has us the number two airline in international emplacements. UAL is number 1 at 25.7 million, we are a paltry number 2 at 24.2 million with AMR third. We are the number one airline across the Atlantic, number two in the pacific and third in SA. If that is paltry what would you consider mere average?

 

Are those numbers counting DAL metal only or JV as well?

And I'm starting to wonder that same thing...Do I work for Delta or some JV conglomerate?

 

DAL metal only.

 

OK, thanks. What's your source and could you post it or a link to it?

 

Still waiting on your source information. But in the meantime, maybe you'd like to check out table 7 from the 2015 US DOT report which ranks airlines by international pax "enplanements". DAL is 3rd behind AA and UAL.

www.rita.gov.dot/bts/press_releases/bts018_16

 

I googled the numbers. Your link will not open. Can you post the full year 2015 numbers.

 

Airlines ranked by 2015 international scheduled enplanements to and from the U.S. (pax #s in thousands)

1. AA 28,391.9
2. UAL 26,147.9
3. DAL 23,687.3

Google "us dot 2015 international air traffic report".

 

If those are correct you still call our share paltry. I suspect my numbers were 2014 before AMR added USAIR.

 

This is why you don't get any respect from me. You know as well as I do you used the 2014 figures to try and mislead. You also misquote me to try and make your BS argument. I used the word paltry to describe our widebody fleet count. I referred to our international presence as below average. Last I checked, coming in #3 out of a competitive set of 3 is below average. There is no question in my mind that you and a few other screen names on APC are complete company apologists and will go to great lengths to weaken the pilot bargaining position. But I digress...

Our competitors have bypassed us in organic international growth - and are making money doing it. We keep giving away more JV leeway. It's got to stop.