Satchip,

My posts were not what you recast. I'm happy to discuss and provide insight, but have no interest in arguing.

Nothing I wrote suggests that anyone in ALPA does not believe scope can, or should, be enforced. What I wrote is that some believe the only method is the grievance process. The grievance process has the same enforceability as a Federal District Court decision, with less right to appeal.

C2K ended in concessionary LOA's to avoid bankruptcy. The concessions were negotiated and ALPA never lost control of the process. The Allied Pilots Association fought American into bankruptcy Court and got most of their labor protective provisions rewritten by the bankruptcy Judge. As a result, American has scope allows larger & heavier RJ flying than Delta or United.

ALPA's results were better than APA's.

 

Or Delta management gets their way and we convert to block hours from EASK. JV partners continue to fly 777's, and A-350's, while Delta orders up the A321LR and begins flying a narrowbody overseas. In their grand scheme we would be in compliance flying narrowbody airbuses, while our JV partners flying planes seating 100 more passengers

What say you?

 

"we didn't think they would do that"

 

Bigger pays more. Congratulations.

 

Bwahahahahahahahaha exactly

 

Compare the range of the A321 to the 757ER with winglets. Yhe decide if it's practical in the winter with 180 knot headwinds coming home. Also look at it from a economical standpoint as far as revenue.
Last take a look at the twin aisle production balance.

 

Perhaps you should look at the specifics for the A-321NEO LR. It will have almost identical range to the 757. Besides Boeing is working on a new narrowbody that will replace the 757 and its range.

You clowns wonder why management is asking for block hours vs. EASK? I understand its not a concern for you or jamesbond as you will be gone. However, management is setting this up for 5 years from now!

 

You bring up an interesting point. 45 U.S.C. s184 (a part of the Railway Labor Act) requires that every collective bargaining agreement made within the airline industry provide for a system board of adjustment (aka arbitration board). However, unlike our railway brethern which have defined standards and even a national system board of adjustment, our arbitration process is a bit more nebulous and therefore has been mainly defined by court decisions to establish the framework and standards for arbitration and appeal.

Here is the issue for the "just grieve it" line of thinking...once you start, you better win. If you lose, the only legally recognizeable standards for appealing a decision of the system board are: (1) the award was procured by corruption, fraud or undue means; (2) there was evident partiality or corruption by the arbitrators; (3) there was arbitral misconduct, such as refusal to hear material evidence; or (4) the arbitrators exceeded their powers, or so imperfectly executed their powers that they failed to render a mutual, final and definite award.

Basically, the only way to get your foot in the door on an appeal is to establish abuse of discretion or misconduct on the part of the neutral. That is why many of the bigger grievances (JV) are settled by agreement rather than waiting for a system board adjustment. A partial win is often better than a complete loss.

 

Having heard from a few different references, there ain't nothing out there that can compete with the 757 for certain routes. Not the "A321NEO LR" nor the "737-900ERMAX" (or whatever other ridiculous moniker Airbus and Boeing can tag on to increasingly stretched versions of 30 year old designs).

Further, Boeing screwed up when they discontinued the 757 line in 2004. Any replacement that can match or exceed its capabilities would certainly be welcome but is still speculative at best and years away even if Boeing announced it tomorrow.

This idea that we will exclusively be flying 739s and A321s across the pond while our JV partners fly A380s and 777s is just a red herring from the gleefully angry crowd.

 

dubya tee eff?

I got some news for you and some other 'clowns' as well. Management has not ever, nor ever will ask any of us what airplane they think they should buy. Carry on with your fantasy.