9 September Chairman's letter
09-11-2016, 09:00 AM
#82
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
I'm not convinced Malone will ask for a release.
From the above, I gather you want to be released (I'm good with that, me too). My question for you (all the absolute no voters based on AIPs etc) is, you disagree with Dalpa and won't support the current trend. How will you vote if a strike ballot it's called? Half of the battle is getting as close to 100% yes vote as possible. Will you honor a strike?
It sure seems to me like the answer to both those is no. This is a recipe for disaster.
Denny
09-11-2016, 09:18 AM
#83
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Originally Posted by longcall
For those of us that missed it, what was your answer to that question? Please.
I'm happy to have discussions, but repeating ourselves on every thread gets tiresome.
09-11-2016, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by D Mantooth
No, it's pretty much exactly what we predicted.
Keep celebrating lads. Every single day you're taking another paycut.
Keep celebrating lads. Every single day you're taking another paycut.
09-11-2016, 09:38 AM
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To what concessions exactly are you referring? What is so bad that it's worth passing up hundreds of millions of dollars for our pilots?
I'm all for QOL. I just simply don't see anything in the AIPs that are going to negatively affect any of us. Maybe (just maybe) I might have to get an extra doctor's note. That's not a terrible hardship for the best sick leave in the industry. I can live with it for an extra $70,000 a year.
I'm all for QOL. I just simply don't see anything in the AIPs that are going to negatively affect any of us. Maybe (just maybe) I might have to get an extra doctor's note. That's not a terrible hardship for the best sick leave in the industry. I can live with it for an extra $70,000 a year.
09-11-2016, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by D Mantooth
To what concessions exactly are you referring? What is so bad that it's worth passing up hundreds of millions of dollars for our pilots?
I'm all for QOL. I just simply don't see anything in the AIPs that are going to negatively affect any of us. Maybe (just maybe) I might have to get an extra doctor's note. That's not a terrible hardship for the best sick leave in the industry. I can live with it for an extra $70,000 a year.
I'm all for QOL. I just simply don't see anything in the AIPs that are going to negatively affect any of us. Maybe (just maybe) I might have to get an extra doctor's note. That's not a terrible hardship for the best sick leave in the industry. I can live with it for an extra $70,000 a year.
09-11-2016, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Concessions in every section. Well, I guess technically vacation isn't a concession, its just maintaining the worst most pathetic vacation in the industry during the most phenomenal historic profits in the industry, so indulge me in calling that a concession because the majority of us see it as exactly that.
I'll put that on the concession side along with "maybe" getting a doctor's note.
So far that's not adding up to a 27.3% increase.
What else is so draconian? There must be some horrible QOL concessions that will keep me away from my family to make us want to give up so much money. I'm just trying to figure out what they are.
09-11-2016, 12:07 PM
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You sure are persistent. Everytime I come to this forum you are swimming upstream with everyone calling you wrong. I am in agreement with a past poster that you must be part of management. It's Sunday the rest of the Monday thru Friday crowd is off. Maybe you should take a break and join them
09-11-2016, 12:35 PM
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Sheesh....it's bad enough we have to fight management to bring about a decent contract. And, we have to argue with our fellow pilots about the AIPs??? To convince them that the AIPs are, by every definition, concessionary??? What the.... It's bad enought to get shot in the face by management, but then to take bullets in the back as well, is simply intolerable.
Rant over.
Rant over.
09-11-2016, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Haven't read past this post yet so I don't know if this had been asked...
From the above, I gather you want to be released (I'm good with that, me too). My question for you (all the absolute no voters based on AIPs etc) is, you disagree with Dalpa and won't support the current trend. How will you vote if a strike ballot it's called? Half of the battle is getting as close to 100% yes vote as possible. Will you honor a strike?
It sure seems to me like the answer to both those is no. This is a recipe for disaster.
Denny
From the above, I gather you want to be released (I'm good with that, me too). My question for you (all the absolute no voters based on AIPs etc) is, you disagree with Dalpa and won't support the current trend. How will you vote if a strike ballot it's called? Half of the battle is getting as close to 100% yes vote as possible. Will you honor a strike?
It sure seems to me like the answer to both those is no. This is a recipe for disaster.
Denny
You are spot on. Lots of confusion. For those, like me, who are unhappy with direction, we all must vote yes on a strike ballot.
I am not as worried as most. Captain Malone can lead us if he chooses to. Sadly I don't even see him asking for release let alone a strike vote.
I think we will cave lower and get a deal. Just my opinion.
Will it pass? The admin is sure of it.
Me, not so much.
This last round sealed a No for me. We caved and got nothing in return. Who negotiates like that?
If we were going to move this much, it should have been only if we had a deal.
We are toast. We lost.
Our only hope now is a rejection.
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