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Old 09-24-2016, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
They had a choice, move to new base or stay put. Some chose to move some didn't. At the end of the day it's a choice.
Yeah, it's really that simple.
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Old 09-24-2016, 11:31 AM
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I always chuckle when folks say we don't need to be giving up anything.
And I at those with no apparent sense of history, context or fortitude. Tell you what, I'll 'give up' a 50% raise and and call it even at 40%. See? I can give too
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Old 09-24-2016, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO
Well we better all move to ATL then because it's the only one that is truly safe. Ask anyone that was based in:
DFW
MCO
MSY
MEM
ANC
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PDX
CVG (not gone but close)
BOS
And I'm sure I've forgotten a few.
you are talking to the guy that lives in base for his category and chooses to commute to chase green slips, so there's that
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Old 09-24-2016, 12:08 PM
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Commuting is a choice
so is that other 'c' word.

capitulation.
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Old 09-24-2016, 12:22 PM
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mod edit: throwing the race card is never ok.

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Old 09-24-2016, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I took a look to see how many of these 90 plus lines were going out. Looked at the most junior seats for Aug.
The 717B in ATL had zero lines over 90. In fact none over 88.
They did have 134 out of about 225 regular lines under 80. The 70 hour lines were spread to the bottom of the line holders.
The 88B seat in ATL also strangely showed not a single line over 90 hours. They had 5 or 6 over 88.
They had 260 lines under 80 hours out of about 480 again spread throughout the lineholders.
Foul. Cherry picking. Try May through July and the other 6 bases.

No vacation weeks available. (even if we got more vacation)
2 less days off June through August. (31 day months gone)

How are we making it easier to get that time off? You know, the time I should just take. 4 & 5 day trips are 80-90% of the time in the bid pack. Those drop really easy.
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Old 09-24-2016, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I took a look to see how many of these 90 plus lines were going out. Looked at the most junior seats for Aug.
The 717B in ATL had zero lines over 90. In fact none over 88.
They did have 134 out of about 225 regular lines under 80. The 70 hour lines were spread to the bottom of the line holders.
The 88B seat in ATL also strangely showed not a single line over 90 hours. They had 5 or 6 over 88.
They had 260 lines under 80 hours out of about 480 again spread throughout the lineholders.
Shhhh, you're using facts, just stick to talking points that says everything is bad.
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Old 09-24-2016, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by tunes
you are talking to the guy that lives in base for his category and chooses to commute to chase green slips, so there's that
I guess I have a fan club. Couple folks tracking my moves. Yup, that is a choice too. And my QOL and pay had been much better than ATL M88
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Old 09-24-2016, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Commuting is a choice
Pineapple guy?
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Old 09-24-2016, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
The only math to calculate is the amount of increased time off. For those who are tired of working 90+ hour lines during the summer the loss of 2 days was a slap in the face. It will only get worse. Sell your days off back to Delta by picking up trips if you like but more time off during the summer is a essential.
If that's the only math you want to calculate, you're not designing contracts for this pilot group. I can't believe how many people want to work more, and how many spend their lives getting around max pick-up. I don't know why they do it, but I assume it's because they're in over their heads.

I don't live like that, and neither do you, but I see no harm in improving our finances. It might give people the option of not hoaring so much. Maybe they'll take it, maybe they won't. My money is on "won't". People seem to be just plain greedy. Maybe if it pays more, they'll pick up all the stuff you're eager to drop?

Either way, if your imperative is more time off, I can see why you're often frustrated. The group doesn't really seem to value it, and it's the last thing the company wants.
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