in your opinion.

Trip is ok with being above the regionals, even if not by much.

We are indeed fortunate the arbiter of 'reasonableness' has graced us with his/her presence.

Your hubris is eye watering.

Management has some job openings, I am sure. Please apply and get off the pilot's list. We have some hard work ahead of us and all you do is drag us down. Unreasonable? People like you are why we have no pensions left or why we are working our asses off to make ends meet. I am ashamed to have you on my team.

TEN

What he said is reasonable, but we are handcuffed. No handcuffs, we have it in a week.

Somehow over the course of my career we have always ended up at or near the top. I Am performance oriented. If the company was better at it why have we not been consistently near the bottom?
You also don't seem to be willing to acknowledge how much advantage the railway labor act gives the company. The simple fact is it drives you to a industry average solution. We have been consistently above that average.

I'd pat you on the back too, but I can't reach. Times have changed significantly.

Is anyone else hearing 18/3/3/4 now?
Since January 1 is so close that's basically 21/3/4

How much do you think money talks will be involved with this?
If no change is made to profit sharing and three years from now a 12 year captain on the 737 would be making 283/hr plus possibly a 60,000 plus profit sharing check plus retirement
Is average line pilot going to vote that down?
That same line pilot if we don't get a contract in the next three years would make 80000 to 100000 less over the course of those three years.
For those in their late 50s and early 60s. It might sway some people

But that is the whole point now, isn't it? Acknowledging the handcuffs of the RLA means that you have to acknowledge the real world, warts and all. The real world is only a peripheral factor in internet message board land, where all negotiations are as simple as presenting a list of demands and telling the mgmt side to "sign here."

Yes, if our contracts expired like the rest of organized labor, and we were free to strike immediately upon expiration, we would indeed have better contracts, and far quicker. The RLA is a severely anti-labor piece of legislation, and airline managements, aided and abetted by Congress have taken advantage of it far beyond its original intent when airlines were a new novelty and most people traveled long distances by rail.

Given all that, I think that ALPA--and DALPA--have done a pretty good job securing contractual improvements over the years with the RLA handicapping the process. I know that many disagree. I'm still waiting for a realistic solution and alternative process from them.

Every month that this drags out, 100 more pilots at the bottom become eligible to vote on a TA, and 20-30 retire off the top end.

For the new hire demographic, Section 1 is of primary concern.

Pay rate changes do not even matter to these pilots given the timeframe that many newhires have to work -- that being 30+ years.