View Poll Results: Would you vote to ratify the hypothetical TA?
Yes, would vote to ratify
78
27.96%
No, would vote not to ratify
201
72.04%
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Possible TA?
09-24-2016, 12:43 PM
#281
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: Heavies
Posts: 1,414
Please just read the contract. The amount is determined by your best consecutive 12 months over the previous 3 years and includes PS. In the chapter 11 contact it was capped at 40 hours. That has been restored. DC money is fully paid at a rate of 30% of your disability payment. This provides the equivalent of what a working pilot receives at 15% and includes the pensionability of the PS plan. When you factor in that PS counts, DC fully paid and its 100% company funded our plan is one of the best if not best in the industry.
As to your comment on a disability pilot making way more then active pilots based on the average of 87 hours a month a pilot would have needed 12 consecutive months averaging 174 hours a month or 2088 hours for 12 months. That would put his DS pay the same as a average pilot. To make way more he would have had to credit way more then 2088 hours in 12 months. I doubt it's a common occurrence.
As to your comment on a disability pilot making way more then active pilots based on the average of 87 hours a month a pilot would have needed 12 consecutive months averaging 174 hours a month or 2088 hours for 12 months. That would put his DS pay the same as a average pilot. To make way more he would have had to credit way more then 2088 hours in 12 months. I doubt it's a common occurrence.
09-24-2016, 12:45 PM
#282
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 173
I took a look to see how many of these 90 plus lines were going out. Looked at the most junior seats for Aug.
The 717B in ATL had zero lines over 90. In fact none over 88.
They did have 134 out of about 225 regular lines under 80. The 70 hour lines were spread to the bottom of the line holders.
The 88B seat in ATL also strangely showed not a single line over 90 hours. They had 5 or 6 over 88.
They had 260 lines under 80 hours out of about 480 again spread throughout the lineholders.
The 717B in ATL had zero lines over 90. In fact none over 88.
They did have 134 out of about 225 regular lines under 80. The 70 hour lines were spread to the bottom of the line holders.
The 88B seat in ATL also strangely showed not a single line over 90 hours. They had 5 or 6 over 88.
They had 260 lines under 80 hours out of about 480 again spread throughout the lineholders.
09-24-2016, 01:25 PM
#283
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Posts: 762
I always chuckle when folks say we don't need to be giving up anything. Then we should leave the table and stick with C2012 with that logic.
Negotiation is a dialogue between two or more people or parties intended to reach a beneficial outcome.
It is not a dialogue where we list our demands, fold arms, and wait for company to meet them.
Negotiation is a dialogue between two or more people or parties intended to reach a beneficial outcome.
It is not a dialogue where we list our demands, fold arms, and wait for company to meet them.
Negotiation should also have professional negotiators on both sides of the table. The company does. We have line pilots that go for a week school and watch a power point presentation.
09-24-2016, 02:17 PM
#284
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,387
Foul. Cherry picking. Try May through July and the other 6 bases.
No vacation weeks available. (even if we got more vacation)
2 less days off June through August. (31 day months gone)
How are we making it easier to get that time off? You know, the time I should just take. 4 & 5 day trips are 80-90% of the time in the bid pack. Those drop really easy.
No vacation weeks available. (even if we got more vacation)
2 less days off June through August. (31 day months gone)
How are we making it easier to get that time off? You know, the time I should just take. 4 & 5 day trips are 80-90% of the time in the bid pack. Those drop really easy.
09-24-2016, 03:27 PM
#285
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 5,460
If we are giving away things in this environment, it is scary to see what it will be like if the company is not doing so good. Go chuckle at that Trip7. Who side are you on?
Negotiation should also have professional negotiators on both sides of the table. The company does. We have line pilots that go for a week school and watch a power point presentation.
Negotiation should also have professional negotiators on both sides of the table. The company does. We have line pilots that go for a week school and watch a power point presentation.
09-24-2016, 03:29 PM
#286
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Joined APC: May 2015
Position: A350 Both
Posts: 7,292
09-24-2016, 04:22 PM
#287
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,387
If we are giving away things in this environment, it is scary to see what it will be like if the company is not doing so good. Go chuckle at that Trip7. Who side are you on?
Negotiation should also have professional negotiators on both sides of the table. The company does. We have line pilots that go for a week school and watch a power point presentation.
Negotiation should also have professional negotiators on both sides of the table. The company does. We have line pilots that go for a week school and watch a power point presentation.
09-24-2016, 06:14 PM
#288
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: stake holder ir.delta.com
Posts: 10,169
You can have your "summers." I prefer not sweating while having my morning coffee on the deck.My July schedule was 90:07 with a min credit bid.(admin limit of 0 min lines) I managed to drop most of it with an APD and payback days on the 20th of June. Had I been one PCS run later it wouldn't have happened. I massage my schedule every month because I can't get what I want and I'm seniorish in category. One 3 day over the 4th an no trips less than 4 days available the rest of the month. If you aren't in the top 20, no vacation either. (5 weeks available each week)
No QOL improvements has me doubting the rumored TAs viability.
Last edited by notEnuf; 09-24-2016 at 06:25 PM.
09-24-2016, 06:38 PM
#289
veut gagner à la loterie
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Light Chop
Posts: 23,286
Funny. Because when I talked to a negotiator from ta15 he said they do absolutely sit at the table. I referenced a alpa negotiating letter that said it was term sheets and he said no it was at the table. Don't know. Don't care. Thought it was interesting.
09-24-2016, 07:10 PM
#290
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: window seat
Posts: 12,534
