Monthly Polling and Retirement
09-21-2016 | 07:47 AM
#31
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Umm, it IS your crap show. Let's review.
Every vote since July 11, 2015 has gone entirely your way. You got the rejection, the Reps, the Master Chairman, and the Negotiating Committee you wanted.
The "Focus Plus" re-opener in December was the most idiotic move ever by any MEC, but it was what you wanted. Sure, put a hard number out there for compensation, only to get tripped up seven months later by those new rates at UPS. Brilliant.
And now, after another round of negotiations - this time with the help of the NMB, we have exactly what we had last year on the table. The best pay rates in the passenger business, alongside some other changes that will require some rational analysis from anyone who votes.
Both times, the market and the BATNA number of management determined the result. Shall we try a third time? Will this final purge and auto-da-fe satisfy you?
Describing Uvena as a Moakie is fair game - he was the ATL F/O rep during Moak's turn at the helm. For fun, can you call him names in person, and let me film it? Please?
Heiko? Are you kidding me? You know he posts on this board, right? Hay? The former Council 1 rep that also ran their Merger Committee? That's just nuts.
Anderson? Who knows? He speaks well enough, but this is his first time serving in any capacity; I'm still not sure how he got elected.
Every vote since July 11, 2015 has gone entirely your way. You got the rejection, the Reps, the Master Chairman, and the Negotiating Committee you wanted.
The "Focus Plus" re-opener in December was the most idiotic move ever by any MEC, but it was what you wanted. Sure, put a hard number out there for compensation, only to get tripped up seven months later by those new rates at UPS. Brilliant.
And now, after another round of negotiations - this time with the help of the NMB, we have exactly what we had last year on the table. The best pay rates in the passenger business, alongside some other changes that will require some rational analysis from anyone who votes.
Both times, the market and the BATNA number of management determined the result. Shall we try a third time? Will this final purge and auto-da-fe satisfy you?
Describing Uvena as a Moakie is fair game - he was the ATL F/O rep during Moak's turn at the helm. For fun, can you call him names in person, and let me film it? Please?
Heiko? Are you kidding me? You know he posts on this board, right? Hay? The former Council 1 rep that also ran their Merger Committee? That's just nuts.
Anderson? Who knows? He speaks well enough, but this is his first time serving in any capacity; I'm still not sure how he got elected.
09-21-2016 | 07:52 AM
#32
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From: Kickin’ Back
gzsg,
You are doing the same thing with your question on retirement that you accuse the other side of: asking a leading question. Who, in their right mind, is going to say "No" to it? Of course everyone wants more money!
Denny
You are doing the same thing with your question on retirement that you accuse the other side of: asking a leading question. Who, in their right mind, is going to say "No" to it? Of course everyone wants more money!
Denny
09-21-2016 | 11:29 AM
#33
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One would hope but I'm not so sure the silent majority wouldn't ratify a "compromised" agreement if it was presented in the near future. It certainly would be a gamble.
09-21-2016 | 06:16 PM
#35
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From: VEOP Retired! 7ER A was last position
I do too. In the distance between, however, is a whole host of poison pills that the company is turning into "religious issues". Those little nuggets would sink this TA even if we got our current positions on pay/vaca/etc. Splitting the difference on those and then keeping the poison pills will lead to a flagrant rejection. IMO if they dropped ALL of the poison pills and split the difference in pay and kept vaca at 3:45 pay AND CREDIT it would probably MEMRAT.
But they won't do that. So we will have to instead work towards a legal strike. That's their call.
But they won't do that. So we will have to instead work towards a legal strike. That's their call.
09-21-2016 | 06:47 PM
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So the company gets none of their "wants" and we split the baby on pay and vacation, and get full retro and PS??? Would pass with flying colors but not realistic. What is the company's motivation to do this deal? I think we get parked indefinitely. A legal strike? Not a chance in the world.
It'll take much more than a non-striking-pilot-force-who-wishes-they-could to keep this operation anywhere near the level it was on before TA1 was released. You can talk 49ers, hostages, etc. all you want, but human nature is what it is and is. Pilots will quickly tire of being lied to by SD.
I honestly think all the sick leave abuse hangups by management will backfire if they haven't started to already. If people become convinced they're not controlling their own schedule as efficiently and lucratively as the "abusers" are...AND the rumors are true that company enforcement is nearly impossible...
Well, there are many ways in which company intransigence could backfire.
09-22-2016 | 07:19 AM
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So the company gets none of their "wants" and we split the baby on pay and vacation, and get full retro and PS??? Would pass with flying colors but not realistic. What is the company's motivation to do this deal? I think we get parked indefinitely. A legal strike? Not a chance in the world.
I'm reasonable, but am fine sticking with current book for years and working towards a legal strike if need be. Just think, we haven't even seen their JV scope hidden hand yet. Can't wait for that.
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