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Old 10-09-2016 | 04:15 AM
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Good thing we're pilots. Operant conditioning is one of those things we're trained at avoiding. We read everything in the ATIS - not just the winds or ceilings. The whole thing matters. Some are more important, but we are skilled at analyzing the whole thing.

If you believe your fellow pilots are incapable of evaluating the finished product, and weighing its value in total, please say it.
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Old 10-09-2016 | 05:27 AM
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In 2013, a study showed that primacy effect is also prominent in decision making based on experience in a repeated choice paradigm, a learning process also known as operant conditioning. The authors showed that there is a large importance to the value of the first reward on subsequent behaviour, a phenomenon they denoted as outcome primacy.

In another study, the subjects received one of two sentences. For example, one may be given "Steve is smart, diligent, critical, impulsive, and jealous." and the other "Steve is jealous, impulsive, critical, diligent, and smart." These two sentences contain the same information. The first one suggests positive trait at the beginning while the second one has negative traits. Researchers found that the subjects evaluated Steve more positive when given the first sentence, compared to the second one.
I think you just described 404 and Tanker's attempts perfectly. To be fair, they're just two in the organized no that just can't stand the process unfolding normally, and can't accept the idea that a pilot might get language without their opinion stapled to the front page. Evidently, this goes up to and including reps.

We're going to get 45-60 days to review this, for chrissakes.
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Old 10-09-2016 | 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
We're going to get 45-60 days to review this, for chrissakes.
45-60 days from when? It hasn't been released yet.
I can guarantee you won't get 60 days from when it's released. They want this done by Dec 9th.
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Old 10-09-2016 | 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Schwanker
They want this done by Dec 9th.
I have no problem with that. December 9th seems like plenty of time.
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Old 10-09-2016 | 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Karnak
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Good thing we're pilots. Operant conditioning is one of those things we're trained at avoiding. We read everything in the ATIS - not just the winds or ceilings. The whole thing matters. Some are more important, but we are skilled at analyzing the whole thing.

If you believe your fellow pilots are incapable of evaluating the finished product, and weighing its value in total, please say it.
I believe fellow pilots to be very capable of evaluating a final product. I also believe us all to be human, and therefore susceptible to science-based psychological phenomena. I posted what I did as a reminder to us all of what pitfalls could ensnare us if we don't actively guard against them.

Overconfidence in one's own decision-making abilities is a trait pilots might just exhibit more than the average bear, despite the training you reference. Nobel-winner Daniel Kahneman discusses lots of interesting data on the subject in "Thinking, Fast and Slow"...I found it very interesting.
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Old 10-09-2016 | 06:11 AM
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So jv is the big sticking point. For those who have seen it, how does it compare to na15?
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Old 10-09-2016 | 06:15 AM
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From what I read it's basically industry standard pay rates with concessions.
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Old 10-09-2016 | 06:29 AM
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Wow. Just Wow. Please let me know who shot Kennedy, I'm sure some of you know. Conspiracy anyone? Agenda anyone? Good lord, the bottom of the rock is calling some of you home.
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Old 10-09-2016 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74

Overconfidence in one's own decision-making abilities is a trait pilots might just exhibit more than the average bear, despite the training you reference.
So, by your own assertion, you might be exhibiting overconfidence in the decision you've made on the AIP thus far?

Do you think it would be a wise choice to wait until subject matter experts have presented us with a full analysis on Section 1?
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Old 10-09-2016 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Schwanker
45-60 days from when? It hasn't been released yet.
I can guarantee you won't get 60 days from when it's released. They want this done by Dec 9th.
Why do they want it done by Dec 9th?
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