vilcas

Just for the fun of it can you paint me this picture where you describe the truck and the whole in any kind of detail. To say there is a hole is easy. Describe said hole and how it can be exploited that would educate the group. I think as we discuss and consider this offer we should not listen to generic and provocative rhetoric that lacks specifics.

Dharma

Seems this is the buzzword phrase meant to downplay the rates. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't TA2 have industry leading individual rates on:

747A
777A
350A
787A
330-900A
737-900A
A321A
737-800A
737-700A
A320A
A319A
C100A
717A
747B
777B
350B
787B
330-900B
737-900B
A321B
737-800B
737-700B
A320B
A319B
C100B
717B

Adding in Profit Sharing as part of our at risk compensation and our overall compensation for every aircraft makes us the highest paid pilots. True?

80ktsClamp

What he said was spot on.

JamesBond

Bullsqueeze.

zippinbye

Wall Street *icks getting worked up about our PS and general level of compensation will make concessions easier to swallow for me, but won't make them taste good!

Denny Crane

Well the way to do that is to take thee 650,000 global BH's and subtract it from 688,000 (number of GBH's we are flying now according to some). That's 38,000 hours. Divide that number by 12 to get average hours a month of 3,167. Then take 3,167 and divide by 80 hours a month which equals about 40 rounded up. So, by my very public math there is a POSSIBILITY of a loss of 40 Captain and 80 FO positions from a strictly international category IF the company goes to the minimum GBH's. Possibly fewer FO's if from 75/767. I do not see them doing this anytime soon.

Denny

BtoA

My contention is that it is not anywhere close to a win that we are giving up our piece of the JV pie for a 'protection' that conservatively costs 120 WB jobs if we ever have to rely on it.

gloopy

I don't expect to move the market, nor do I expect them to fly planes around empty etc. I just want the half we agreed to. The Spirit and intent of that "half" was 50%. The so called "window" was designed for flexibility here or there, but we were always supposed to get half. Not 48.5% as an all cases maximum, and then below that only to be forgiven.

If EU craters, then that's just business. Flights will be pulled down. I get that. But we should still get our half. If EU grows, we still should get our half. If they are below that half, then we get an injunction to pull the code from whatever portion of the lift necessary to get back into compliance. AF can fly to Peoria 73 times a day in A-380's if they want to, I really don't care. All I care about is how much AF flies for within the DL code. That should be split with us equally as originally agreed to, without constant give backs.

tunes

what do you mean if? you know very well that they will drop to that minimum right when this TA is signed.

gloopy

Most of those pay rates were already bought in. Industry standard. Coming regardless at some point. Parity, like paying market price for gas.

OK that was a bad analogy, since any well intended and unconditionally well compensated manager can accidentally blow a bazillion dollars playing that guessing game. But you get the point.