JP Morgan's analysis of the TA
10-14-2016, 10:57 AM
#51
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Originally Posted by UALinIAH
Not true. May want to check the pay rates on APC under United. Add 7.56% to the current rates to see what our Jan rate will be if this TA passes.
Sorry to interject, but you should really fact check. Unless you are just talking DOS - Jan 1st.
Sorry to interject, but you should really fact check. Unless you are just talking DOS - Jan 1st.
10-14-2016, 11:03 AM
#52
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Originally Posted by 300SMK
The FPL folks from the Plantation aren't allowed to review facts. If Delta wants you to know something, they post it on the DeltaNet (TASS)
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10-14-2016, 11:16 AM
#53
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
This does not make sense. I was a no voter last summer............so now I'm calling myself an idiot?
Denny
Denny
Denny - maybe this will explain it.
Scoop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG-VB5xb6KM
10-14-2016, 11:33 AM
#54
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Originally Posted by UALinIAH
I was only trying to point out that it comes across as a sales job when you advertise something that is only in effect for 2 weeks. Obviously to UAL people it's a 4.56% raise in addition to our regular one if it passes.
Wasn't trying to measure anything. Just questioning his "facts".
Bowing out now.
Wasn't trying to measure anything. Just questioning his "facts".
Bowing out now.
10-14-2016, 11:55 AM
#55
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
There is more to the story. UAL does not get an automatic pay jump in pay rate differences. It is a blend of PS and rate so you capture the % of total value. So the sales job UAL bought from ALPA is no different just wait till you see what your actual real dollar value of your pay raise is. Your profit sharing is really not great, granted better than a lot not even close to DAL value. It is all about details, UAL has its continental drag and scabs, the huge amount of debt and employee discontent etc. so one has to just look at what they can control, a yes or no vote on what is in front of them. Dont worry about pilot groups that have nothing to do with you or your contract.
10-14-2016, 01:38 PM
#56
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Originally Posted by UALinIAH
Not true. May want to check the pay rates on APC under United. Add 7.56% to the current rates to see what our Jan rate will be if this TA passes.
Sorry to interject, but you should really fact check. Unless you are just talking DOS - Jan 1st.
747/350/777/787/764
CA
2017 $328
2018 $338
2019 $351
FO
2017 $224
2018 $231
2019 $240
Your Airbus will be about $10 below us as well. Just saying.
Sorry to interject, but you should really fact check. Unless you are just talking DOS - Jan 1st.
747/350/777/787/764
CA
2017 $328
2018 $338
2019 $351
FO
2017 $224
2018 $231
2019 $240
Your Airbus will be about $10 below us as well. Just saying.
Either way (and thank you for pointing that out), paybrates that are within a few percent of each other is not industry leading. It is in line with current industry wages. We are going to be right in line with UAL. Well, unless you average how many pilots fly higher paying wages at UAL than at Delta.
10-14-2016, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BtoA
Don't let facts get in the way of a good lecture.
Either way (and thank you for pointing that out), paybrates that are within a few percent of each other is not industry leading. It is in line with current industry wages. We are going to be right in line with UAL. Well, unless you average how many pilots fly higher paying wages at UAL than at Delta.
Either way (and thank you for pointing that out), paybrates that are within a few percent of each other is not industry leading. It is in line with current industry wages. We are going to be right in line with UAL. Well, unless you average how many pilots fly higher paying wages at UAL than at Delta.
10-14-2016, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Unless of course you throw in a better profit sharing program and 3% more DC money. When is their parity review?
I've never once even hinted that you guys should vote one way or another. It's your company, your contract. I have simply interjected when facts where thrown out that weren't true with regard to my company and our contract.
The rates I posted earlier were from our ALPA site based on your TA if it passes.
10-14-2016, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by UALinIAH
Ok. It just comes across as very misleading to advertise rates as highest when it's only for 2 weeks max vs saying what are truly the industry leading like your 777/A350/757/737 etc.
The list I posted will be the highest if we ratify. The retro will make them the highest for all of 2016.
10-14-2016, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by UALinIAH
I've said on here a number of times, I agree your PS is better because of DC. I completely agree! We have the same basic formula as DAL otherwise....
What you wrote above is not correct. Our profits sharing formulas are different.
United's 10%/20% split is at 6.9% operating margin. Ours is at $2.5 Billion of pre-tax income. If our companies were smaller and more profitable, your formula would be better. But they aren't. As revenue size increases, given the same operating margin, the Delta formula gradually gets better and better. At our current size and and for a similar level of profitability the Delta formula is about 30% better. Because we are a more profitable company, it is slightly better than that.
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