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Originally Posted by Moondog (Post 2225463)

'They' = your posts :D

There is a thing called 'ignore' try it out.

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2225655)

after the test period can we terminate it at any time going forward?

At the end of the one year test period both parties have to agree to a new LOA to incorporate it into the PWA or it is terminated. So it appears that if we agree to continue past the one year point with a new LOA we are going to enshrine whatever is in that new LOA into the PWA.

Hook

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Originally Posted by hookshot123 (Post 2225740)

That settles it. It must be pulled down during that period. Otherwise they will obviously make it as pleasant as possible just to get to that point and then the other shoe drops. We can't fall for that.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2225327)

We actually have to renew it after the one year test period or it goes away. We don't even have to pull it down. In the end it will turn out to be much ado about nothing.

No. In the end, we will have left if in place and the company will use it as a huge weapon to reduce jobs.

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Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2225334)

Stagnation.

Laugh my arse off. It might cause someone until month 5 to get that upgrade.

Another thoughtless post. Great job.

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Originally Posted by BtoA (Post 2225849)

Another thoughtless post. Great job.

And in your two whole years of civilian aviation you have gained more wisdom than I
could ever hope to have. You sir are just awesome.

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Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2225435)

And that is not my argument scoopster. That is what some others are on here complaining about. Have you ever read any of my posts?

Yes, I know - I was agreeing with you. Obviously it caught you off guard. :D

Scoop

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Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2226191)

And in your two whole years of civilian aviation you have gained more wisdom than I
could ever hope to have. You sir are just awesome.

How did you find out who I was? I thought this site was anonymous.

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Originally Posted by Clipjoint (Post 2223601)

Give it a chance before fear mongering. It might be a great thing for a lot of commuters at very little impact to the in-base folks.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2223806)

I think you will find the company limits the use. The only base I see them benefitting from it would be MCO.

I found it at least semi-amusing that the very first reply to this thread was the good old "the company would never do that" argument.

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Originally Posted by MikeF16 (Post 2226615)

I found it at least semi-amusing that the very first reply to this thread was the good old "the company would never do that" argument.

Considering this forum is one OMG moment after another and 99% never happen I would say the forum is FUD after FUD from the usual suspects.
If what this forum posted about contract 2012 had turned out to be even remotely true you would not even have a job here. Just a couple of other examples include 20 pages of the evils of augmented domestic flights and the disaster that would be and 20 more pages on all the two man flights FAR117 would be causing. How did those turn out.
The simple fact is the domestic system is fairly low credit. A VB only makes sense if you can reduce that credit further and not increase your greenslips at the hubs when irregular ops hit.
In the end we can simply do nothing and the entire program dies. If we want to extend it we can via LOA. That LOA can take any form we want including extending the right to pull it down at any time. The company will have zero leverage so they will have to accept what we want.
As I originally posted the entire VB concept is so watered down from what the company really wanted as to now have very limited use.