Good question. Yes, I do trust them. I just trusted them to negotiate a contract. I think they listened to the pilot group and will do so again. I don't see the MEC being refilled with Moakies IMO.

This is incorrect. With no MEC action the program dies in one year. They do not have to pull it down. In order for the program to continue the MEC has to negotiate a LOA. We would have complete leverage in such a negotiation as to the final structure of the program.
LOA's can be negotiated at any time to change any aspect of the contract. If we did not have this program in the TA it could be added in one year via LOA. It could be added tomorrow.

Virtual Bases seem like they will reduce credit time which equals jobs, right? I do not understand how that is good for the pilots.

'facts'. No.... more like narrow assumptions.

Are you two suggesting the operation will remain as is.... with no effect.... after vb is phased in? And the the singular variable is credit time?

Shallow and non dynamic is exactly what it is. Management has historically limited crew and aircraft basing for cost factors as esoteric as base sick leave usage.

vb decisions will be made on multiple cost factors.... not just credit time. If implemented...I would expect to see bases with the largest percentage of commuters and in the highest employee cost locations as targets of opportunity.

Correct - less credit equals less Pilot jobs. But consider guys getting PS to and from work with paid for hotels. I don't commute, but that seems pretty good to me.

So we as a Pilot group have to decide the difference between protecting future jobs vs improving the QOL for Delta Pilots already here.

I would say the importance of protecting future jobs varies with hiring, retirements, furloughs etc. Right now hiring like crazy, massive retirements forthcoming I would put more value on improving QOL for current Delta pilots over future jobs.

What follows is not addressed at Taylor who asked a valid question above.

I mean isn't one of the strongest cries for a no vote based on us selling QOL? VB has the potential to greatly improve the QOL for some at a cost of less Dead Head credit.

Maybe VB will truly suck but maybe guys will like it. We will have a much better idea after we actually try it. The one consistency I see on Social Media is the determined No voters trying to turn many TA items into absolute disasters all requiring a No vote based on each single point they bring up. I sense desperation.

Finally - I seriously doubt anyone's vote will be swayed by an anonymous web forum. That is not to say that this forum can not stimulate and answer questions and contribute to ones understanding of the TA.

The only way an individual poster obtains any kind of credibility on APC is by their posting history. If a poster has a long history of well balanced, logical and thoughtful posts he or she will carry much more weight than a brand new poster with an apparent agenda who describes everything as absolute doom etc.


Scoop

So, then you are saying giving up all that credit time is good for pilots? A few commuters getting PS a few months per year is worth the uncertainty and shifting relative seniority that it will cause in the other bases?

Just like the "moakies" used to do, BtoA has created an alternate username in taylorswiftfan. Say it with me, everyone! "BANHAMMER!"

But but.......I wanna be BritneySpearsfan:D

You mods, always keep'en da little man down:p

I'll reserve "YayJustinBieber" for you if you want. :D

Yeah Baby!!:cool: