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10-16-2016, 03:38 PM
#101
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Starboard Side, weekends & holidays.
Posts: 850
Originally Posted by Opelmanta
Agreed, Just because it's an idea doesn't make it a good one. I'd like to keep my family off that ride!
10-16-2016, 04:05 PM
#102
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Posts: 5,564
Originally Posted by Hacker15e
So, it isn't like every "new hire" is some chump off the street that doesn't have the superhuman airmanship it must take to be an MD-80 Captain (which can only be obtained by 121 hours at a major).
10-16-2016, 04:13 PM
#103
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 398
Originally Posted by Banzai
The 88 is one aircraft that I'd be really wary of bidding a CA position unless I was already an experienced FO on it.
This is just my perspective having ridden the JS multiple times...I'm not an 88 guy myself.
This is just my perspective having ridden the JS multiple times...I'm not an 88 guy myself.
Just curious
10-16-2016, 04:26 PM
#104
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: A330 First Officer
Posts: 1,465
Originally Posted by Hacker15e
Yes, and there are Delta newhires that just got done with careers that included leading formations dodging SAMs and AAA over Iraq and a host of other incredibly complex missions that required a huge amount of airmanship and leadership.
So, it isn't like every "new hire" is some chump off the street that doesn't have the superhuman airmanship it must take to be an MD-80 Captain (which can only be obtained by 121 hours at a major).
So, it isn't like every "new hire" is some chump off the street that doesn't have the superhuman airmanship it must take to be an MD-80 Captain (which can only be obtained by 121 hours at a major).
Also it isn't superhuman airmanship that is required to fly the mad dog, it's knowing the quirks of the Long Beach sewer tube.
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10-16-2016, 04:28 PM
#105
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: 7th green
Posts: 4,378
Originally Posted by Army80
Paul Tibbets was only 30 years old when he dropped the big one. Of course the Enloa Gay wasn't a Mad Dog 
Good luck to all the new Captains!
Good luck to all the new Captains!
And that was during a World War. What's your point?
10-16-2016, 04:28 PM
#106
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 398
Originally Posted by badflaps
If I remember correctly, TWA had 100 hour OE's, as a number of guys were coming off the F/E seat.
50 hrs "Familiarization" left seat ungraded
25 hrs graded IOE
A 6 leg Progress Check
(Insert more time here if necessary...)
A Six Leg Checkride.
Yup, it was a lot, but they expected a lot, and it was more training than just IOE, and it was historically common for upgrades to come off several years Int'l right seat. One new 727 CA I flew with had spent twenty years doing LAX-HNL in the right seat of the 1011.
10-16-2016, 04:38 PM
#108
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Joined APC: Oct 2013
Position: Entitled rocket surgeon!
Posts: 193
The 88 is not that difficult. It does require more vigilance and focus. Monitor the FMA closely, make sure your input is correct and NEVER EVER get SLOW at altitude or on final.
Don't rely too much on the automation. Be ready to hand fly to correct crazy Vnav decents. Get the plane under control and reengage the automation.
The most difficult part of 88 flying is the schedule. 4-5 day trips, multiple legs daily, many O'dark thirty departures, hot cockpits and high traffic airport environments, all add up to fatigue.
Remember to take things slow and trust but verify the FMA.
Good luck!!!
Don't rely too much on the automation. Be ready to hand fly to correct crazy Vnav decents. Get the plane under control and reengage the automation.
The most difficult part of 88 flying is the schedule. 4-5 day trips, multiple legs daily, many O'dark thirty departures, hot cockpits and high traffic airport environments, all add up to fatigue.
Remember to take things slow and trust but verify the FMA.
Good luck!!!
10-16-2016, 04:53 PM
#109
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
Originally Posted by thinkstraight
The 88 is not that difficult. It does require more vigilance and focus. Monitor the FMA closely, make sure your input is correct and NEVER EVER get SLOW at altitude or on final.
Don't rely too much on the automation. Be ready to hand fly to correct crazy Vnav decents. Get the plane under control and reengage the automation.
The most difficult part of 88 flying is the schedule. 4-5 day trips, multiple legs daily, many O'dark thirty departures, hot cockpits and high traffic airport environments, all add up to fatigue.
Remember to take things slow and trust but verify the FMA.
Good luck!!!
Don't rely too much on the automation. Be ready to hand fly to correct crazy Vnav decents. Get the plane under control and reengage the automation.
The most difficult part of 88 flying is the schedule. 4-5 day trips, multiple legs daily, many O'dark thirty departures, hot cockpits and high traffic airport environments, all add up to fatigue.
Remember to take things slow and trust but verify the FMA.
Good luck!!!
On ALL of our jets, the FMA is the way, the truth, and the life. Know and understand it at all times!
10-16-2016, 04:58 PM
#110
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: M88A
Posts: 672
Originally Posted by thinkstraight
The 88 is not that difficult. It does require more vigilance and focus. Monitor the FMA closely, make sure your input is correct and NEVER EVER get SLOW at altitude or on final.
Don't rely too much on the automation. Be ready to hand fly to correct crazy Vnav decents. Get the plane under control and reengage the automation.
The most difficult part of 88 flying is the schedule. 4-5 day trips, multiple legs daily, many O'dark thirty departures, hot cockpits and high traffic airport environments, all add up to fatigue.
Remember to take things slow and trust but verify the FMA.
Good luck!!!
Don't rely too much on the automation. Be ready to hand fly to correct crazy Vnav decents. Get the plane under control and reengage the automation.
The most difficult part of 88 flying is the schedule. 4-5 day trips, multiple legs daily, many O'dark thirty departures, hot cockpits and high traffic airport environments, all add up to fatigue.
Remember to take things slow and trust but verify the FMA.
Good luck!!!
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