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10-16-2016, 10:05 PM
#121
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
Originally Posted by zippinbye
So if one checks out in the left seat while on probation ( 4 months on line for instance),does he/ she get to write their own probationary review?
Probation is ended by: 1 year on property, 400 hours, or upgrade to captain.
Know thy contract!
10-16-2016, 10:08 PM
#122
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
Our most common extra time or failures in the schoolhouse are
1. single seat fighter types... particularly retirees that have done nothing but that and then served staff jobs in the mil. It's not that they suck, it's that it's too short of a training program for that large of an adjustment.
2. Long time widebody FOs who parked there for years and then decided to upgrade.
Preferential hiring otherwise unhireable guys from the regional are a 3rd place but more distant.
1. single seat fighter types... particularly retirees that have done nothing but that and then served staff jobs in the mil. It's not that they suck, it's that it's too short of a training program for that large of an adjustment.
2. Long time widebody FOs who parked there for years and then decided to upgrade.
Preferential hiring otherwise unhireable guys from the regional are a 3rd place but more distant.
10-17-2016, 12:43 AM
#123
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 2,889
Clamp,
One thing I do think help fighter guys is a little GA experience. Crosswinds and use of rudder (V1 cuts,etc) seem to come easier if you have done that in light planes.
F15, 727, and my Navion were all six pack instruments. I could pop betwwen with ease. Wasnt until I retired from ANG, went to MD-11 and came back to Navion flying in IMC and realized how ****ty I got at round dials. I actually had to start working at it again after not doing the 727 regularly at work...
One thing I do think help fighter guys is a little GA experience. Crosswinds and use of rudder (V1 cuts,etc) seem to come easier if you have done that in light planes.
F15, 727, and my Navion were all six pack instruments. I could pop betwwen with ease. Wasnt until I retired from ANG, went to MD-11 and came back to Navion flying in IMC and realized how ****ty I got at round dials. I actually had to start working at it again after not doing the 727 regularly at work...
10-17-2016, 03:07 AM
#124
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 5,438
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Our most common extra time or failures in the schoolhouse are
1. single seat fighter types... particularly retirees that have done nothing but that and then served staff jobs in the mil. It's not that they suck, it's that it's too short of a training program for that large of an adjustment.
2. Long time widebody FOs who parked there for years and then decided to upgrade.
Preferential hiring otherwise unhireable guys from the regional are a 3rd place but more distant.
1. single seat fighter types... particularly retirees that have done nothing but that and then served staff jobs in the mil. It's not that they suck, it's that it's too short of a training program for that large of an adjustment.
2. Long time widebody FOs who parked there for years and then decided to upgrade.
Preferential hiring otherwise unhireable guys from the regional are a 3rd place but more distant.
10-17-2016, 03:13 AM
#125
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: A330 First Officer
Posts: 1,465
So question of the day, since upgrades are coming so quickly are the single seat fighter types pay protected since, by the FAR's, they can't upgrade at the 4 month mark? It will be more like two years to hit the 1,000 hours 121 time from the time of getting on property to actually getting the time.
10-17-2016, 04:14 AM
#127
China Visa Applicant
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Midfield downwind
Posts: 1,921
Originally Posted by Packrat
Sorry to tell you this, but TACAIR doesn't exactly transfer directly to Part 121. Flying the machine isn't only what "Captain" is about, ego aside.
10-17-2016, 04:26 AM
#129
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Joined APC: Apr 2012
Position: 7ER Costar
Posts: 406
Originally Posted by Packrat
In that case the F/O needs to be mentoring the CA. And a wise CA would know that.
As an aside, when DAL is hiring Regional pilots who have never seen a left seat, this upgrade becomes the very best argument for the Age 67/70 rule. Will it take a junior CA paired with a junior F/O to make a smoking hole somewhere for Congress to understand that experience matters?
As an aside, when DAL is hiring Regional pilots who have never seen a left seat, this upgrade becomes the very best argument for the Age 67/70 rule. Will it take a junior CA paired with a junior F/O to make a smoking hole somewhere for Congress to understand that experience matters?
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