More like, "we will say anything to make our side correct". Whatever side that is.

Never worked for the union. My point is the 12 did not buy us anything other then a delay. Talk to the people directly involved in the negotiations and you will get your answers.

The MEC was the farthest thing from stable last spring. I give the 12 plenty of allowances for their performance, even a 6m delay. Bashing the 12 now, after an 82% approval vote, is scapegoating for the sake of scapegoating.

I have all the answers I need, thanks. Hazzard-type spin adds nothing.

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Originally Posted by Schwanker (Post 2258425)

the 12 prevented:

1. Profit sharing concessions
2. Additional scope relief beyond what was given

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Uhhh... no. The 12 did not prevent either. While they may have been against changes to scope or profit sharing (as were every other pilot on property!), the person most against profit sharing change was none other than John Malone. From his Sep 9 Chairman's letter:

"We restarted the negotiating process almost one year ago by focusing on the sections of the rejected tentative agreement the pilots found objectionable. One of the last “toxic” items to deal with is management’s proposal to modify profit sharing.
When the National Mediation Board (NMB) set the schedule to meet this week, it was prepared to continue mediated talks the following week if sufficient progress was being made. For me, and our Negotiating Committee, a “go-no go” item was management’s profit sharing proposal.
Unfortunately, management’s latest proposal retains changes to profit sharing we cannot accept and they have not addressed several of our must -have items"

Give credit to who it's due. Malone and the NC got us the agreement we have, despite the interference from the 12.

AIPs were changed. Profit sharing was always a gate keeper issue for us. JMs letter came out because of the backlash on a possible PS give.

Guess you can't put much credibility in the union structure. The one that says the membership directs the MEC and the MEC gives direction to MEC administration.

JMalone also wrote to the membership that he would not seek the MEC chair following this TA... oops. Have not seen anything from the 12, then or now, that they 'supported' a change to PS.

Delta pilots union elects new leader
Kelly Yamanouchi
December 7, 2016

The pilots union at Delta Air Lines has elected a new chairman, a surprise change in leadership coming on the heels of the approval of a new labor contract with pay raises.

The leadership committee of the Air Line Pilots Association at Delta voted to elect Bill Bartels as chairman, with a close 10-9 vote.

“Many threats remain on the horizon, both to our flying jobs and working conditions,” Bartels said in a written statement.

Bartels starts his two-year term Jan. 1, replacing John Malone in the Delta pilots union chairman slot.

Malone was elected to the position in September 2015. He filled the spot vacated by the resignation of his predecessor Mike Donatelli, following the first-ever defeat of a proposed labor deal in voting by Delta pilots. It was Malone’s second time stepping into the chairman position, after leading the Delta pilots union from 2003 to 2005.

Malone sought big pay raises in new contract talks this year, opening negotiations with a proposal for nearly 40 percent compounded pay raise over three years.

The final deal approved last week included compounded raises of 30.2 percent over four years. Of the Delta pilots casting ballots, 82 percent voted in favor.

The election of Bartels as chairman brings to the helm a longtime union officer who was a pilot at highly-unionized Northwest Airlines before the Delta-Northwest merger in 2008.

More recently, Bartels has been chairman of the Delta pilot union’s local council in Detroit.

I don't understand why Malone wasn't re-elected. Reminds me of Churchill right after WWII.

No I'm in C44.

You keep repeating that as if an MEC vote did not occur yesterday