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Old 12-09-2016 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Xray678
Where are you getting this info? I haven't heard/read anything suggesting the 330-900 will not be built.
His imagination?
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Old 12-09-2016 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
It would be awesome for the 50 guys in the category because we are stupid enough to pay it $500/hour.
Highest paid! While most other airplanes pay less than our peers.
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Old 12-09-2016 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Xray678
Where are you getting this info? I haven't heard/read anything suggesting the 330-900 will not be built.
People involved in the program. You can also do a google search. Airbus has been counting on a major far east order which has not come in part because of the performance issues. It burns more gas short haul then the CEO version due to the weight increase. I also did not say it won't be built, I stated it might not go into production. Depends on the status of existing orders and new orders. Currently there are only 120 orders give to take that are considered solid and 175 total.
Here is the big issue:
Perhaps more interesting at this first analysis is the decline in fuel efficiency gain when shorter ranges are flown. We have a decline of 20%-30% from 4,000nm to 1,000nm. We can thereby conclude that Kiran Rao, Airbus EVP of Strategy and Marketing, meant something else with the quote “for 2-3 hour missions, the A330ceos are still more efficient than a neo,” (from this discussion with Aviation Week).

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Old 12-09-2016 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
They don't even know. And accurate is not the word I'd use. 757s seems to disappear and reappear every 6 months. 737 orders are cancelled, then they're not. E190s are the future NB replacement then, oops. The C-series still needs another real order to be viable. 787s still on the books. Used 777s abound for cheap, what ever happened to that one?
You seem to be confusing forum rumors with company documents. Overall the companies fleetplan has tracked as they have put out at roadshows. Some equipment has changed but the plan itself has gone almost exactly as forecast other then retaining more 757's which is a good thing.
The C series is in production and in service. I suspect we will get them. If not another airframe will be purchased but the basic fleet plan will stay the same.
Go back and look at the predicted fleet numbers when contract 2012 was signed. Spot on other then additional 757's.
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Old 12-09-2016 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You seem to be confusing forum rumors with company documents. Overall the companies fleetplan has tracked as they have put out at roadshows. Some equipment has changed but the plan itself has gone almost exactly as forecast other then retaining more 757's which is a good thing.
The C series is in production and in service. I suspect we will get them. If not another airframe will be purchased but the basic fleet plan will stay the same.
Go back and look at the predicted fleet numbers when contract 2012 was signed. Spot on other then additional 757's.
The only thing that was rumor was the 777s and it was a rumor because our CEO at the time said the market for those was drastically coming down and then he bought one for parts. Not really forum stuff. Reality, but whatever.
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Old 12-09-2016 | 03:01 PM
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Doubt it. That thing is a POS jobs program and not a serious airplane. Its applications for us would be severely limited. A cheap lease deal would only go so far to justify something so otherwise out of the realm like that. I'm not seeing it at any price.

Yeah, but imagine how many non-revs we can move to the back of the plane with that baby! It would be a dream come true for ACS.

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Old 12-09-2016 | 06:17 PM
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So, about the 330NEO not being produced... it's fitting this was taken today.

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Old 12-10-2016 | 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
So, about the 330NEO not being produced... it's fitting this was taken today.

That is clearly an F17 Q- bird "Quiet Glider."
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Old 12-10-2016 | 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
So, about the 330NEO not being produced... it's fitting this was taken today.

It's actually going to fly soon. That does not mean going into full scale production. Again however I simply mentioned there was discussion about alternatives if Airbus elects not to go forward. It's sales have been a disaster after the initial flurry of orders. Most seem to be opting for the A350. There has however been a general glut in widebody orders. Unless your mission is for flights over 3000 miles there is not much point in ordering it over the CEO 330.
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Old 12-10-2016 | 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
It's actually going to fly soon. That does not mean going into full scale production. Again however I simply mentioned there was discussion about alternatives if Airbus elects not to go forward. It's sales have been a disaster after the initial flurry of orders. Most seem to be opting for the A350. There has however been a general glut in widebody orders. Unless your mission is for flights over 3000 miles there is not much point in ordering it over the CEO 330.
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