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03-27-2017, 06:54 AM

#331

qball

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sailingfun

I guess that's why bus guys never seem to look outside even on a visual approach. Personally I don't think that's a good thing.

Seriously Sailing? Don't look outside on visuals? On what anecdotal evidence are you basing that?

03-27-2017, 07:14 AM

#332

sailingfun

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Originally Posted by qball

Seriously Sailing? Don't look outside on visuals? On what anecdotal evidence are you basing that?

Glance over and look next time at the pilot flying.

03-27-2017, 07:28 AM

#333

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Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley

More pertinent, the position of the control stick and thrust levers. They don't move vs. the Boeing. Those two guys didn't know what was being input.

You are correct the stick on the PNF does not move in conjunction with the PFs.
The Thurst Levers do move if you want to use it manually, great thrust levers, just disconnect them.

03-27-2017, 07:33 AM

#334

iceman49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Glance over and look next time at the pilot flying.

Never seen a pilot not look outside during a visual approach. Sailing, it takes about 2 years to get used to the bus, if you have never flown an Airbus and you are only doing a few TO/LDGs for international ops.

If you are seeing these things than training has really changed and you should talk to PD and DL.

03-27-2017, 07:52 AM

#335

formerdal

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Glance over and look next time at the pilot flying.

That's because we don't teach "visuals" especially on the bus. Everything is an instrument approach. Incidentally, I have noticed the same thing on the 88 for years...

03-27-2017, 08:35 AM

#336

qball

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Glance over and look next time at the pilot flying.

I am the PF. Been on the Bus for about 20 years. Don't fly a visual any differently than I did in Boeings or Douglas aircraft.
I assume you are checking out on the big bus. Hope you are not planning to be an LCA with such a negative attitude towards the system.

03-27-2017, 09:43 AM

#337

Hank Kingsley

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Originally Posted by Lifeisgood

What??!! Source?

It was a demo item on the A310 OE. Yikes.

03-27-2017, 11:35 AM

#338

80ktsClamp

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley

More pertinent, the position of the control stick and thrust levers. They don't move vs. the Boeing. Those two guys didn't know what was being input.

Your argument falls on its face here. The thrust levers were full forward the entire time which gives you manual maximum power, and the ECAM and FMA confirmed producing TOGA power. Not sure what other visual cues you could want to verify the power setting in that situation... other manufacturers sure don't give you anything beyond that.

Agreed on the stick.

03-27-2017, 11:37 AM

#339

80ktsClamp

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sailingfun

I guess that's why bus guys never seem to look outside even on a visual approach. Personally I don't think that's a good thing.

That's called being a terrible pilot.

Perhaps some time spent on the little bus flying 5 legs a day would have been beneficial to them in realizing it's just an airplane and does airplane things just like other airplanes.

03-27-2017, 11:43 AM

#340

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On a side note, when considering your bids for the upcoming AE/displacement, it has been announced that the 330 is returning to Africa later this year out of ATL.

Bidder beware.