Tattletale Tuesday
 

Today, the (lack of) strength and character of our union will be on full display for all to see (including management). Because today we have the "recall" meeting for our two C44 FO reps.

Can't wait to hear all the tattle telling about their sudden "performance issues" from the same circle of ALPA insiders and their friends who fought so hard for TA1 (and some who fought against TA1, but quickly chickened out).

The ALPA drama queens in the audience with their pre-planted "questions" will nitpick these two to try and humiliate them. They'll make it seem serving as rep is hallowed ground and these two are just not up to it. Heck, the two FOs didn't even want to put us through a paper proxy fight! What rep worth his salt wouldn't put up a proxy fight using (unlawfully) union and company resources to pit pilots against pilots in order to stay in power? SAD!

The only standard by which they have fallen short of most ALPA reps is their unwillingness to be bullied.

Will C44 let a few ALPA lifers decide what's good for us again (like TA1)?

We wouldn't have our current contract without the efforts of the two FO reps. We'd have less. And they both fought for more. So, let's get rid of them.

It's the Delta pilots' way.

This issue is very simple. If put to a Council vote IMO there is a zero chance the majority of C44 pilots would vote for BB, RS, TB and TB. The C44 pilots were misrepresented. If we had FO reps that listened to their pilots JM would still be the Chair.

Recall!

Then change the C&BLs to make it a popular vote.

And, you want the new admin out of office for exactly what "crimes" in their first three weeks??

You guys make us all look bad.

Settle down there Timmy. Never said I wanted the new admin out. What's done is done. I want the C44 FO reps out for not representing C44. This is how democracy works. When Congressional reps votes against the wishes of their district, they are voted out. If C44 feels the way I do, bye bye CK and JJ. That way no further "surprises".

I disagree. I felt the FO reps represented me and I'm against their recall.

Voted out is different than recall. Recall is pretty ugly. They were justified in 2015 because they cost us hundreds of millions of dollars. Now, these two help us get those dollars and we toss them out? JM lost the election. That's all.

The folks trying to do this are going to look like fools. While there's some satisfaction in that, the most important audiences (mgt and the pilot group) lose faith in ALPA.

A weaker ALPA benefits those running this recall (so they can regain power) and gives mgt pause about our credibility as a whole.

Not to put too fine a point on it but in our democracy, Members of Congress are voted in/out by their districts every 2 years for the House/6 for the Senate which is at the end of their term. They is no ability to "recall" Members of Congress when they cast an unpopular vote (i.e., For/against the ACA perhaps). Using your analysis of "how democracy works," those reps should be voted out at the end of their term, not mid-stream.

100 years from now, some people will continue to re-fight the Civil War, and some will continue to re-fight the DAL/NWA merger. :rolleyes:

Don't listen to him. He's just a moakie wannabe who just follows whatever is the hot topic at the moment. Remember he did say that he would support Lee Moak coming back... clueless.

Congressmen and women are "voted out" when the next election occurs. That's two years for House members and six years for Senators. Not after every vote they take.

That's not what's happening here, is it?

So, now the C44 pilots who took the time to attend today's meeting will not be introduced to the new MEC Chair because of a "conflict of interest".

Give me a break.

You can't make this stuff up.

Congrats to the ALPA lifers. They just embarrassed themselves and our union with their childish political games.

They won't prevail.

Rumor is it was not even a close vote. True?

I heard the question was, "did you 'invite' Bill to the meeting?" and the response was "because Bill is still DTW LEC chair and hasn't quit that role yet, it would be inappropriate to 'invite' a LEC chair to another LEC's recall meeting."
Further, I didn't hear Bill was prohibited or blocked from attending. I didn't hear CK or JJ invite Bill either. I didn't hear Bill ask to attend either.

This sounds like a troll post, just like your others today.

Did they get recalled or not? Anyone? Bueller?

The vote to have the council wide vote for recall passed.

Troll? Really? Fact filled. Imagine if CK or JJ had gone around the LEC Chairman and invited him.

It was a slap in the face to BB.

The resolution passed. The reps being recalled had wished it to go to the members and specifically asked their supporters to allow it to go to the council.

The same folks who called us all Rocket Surgeons, morons and losers carried the day today.

Judas, sailing. CK & JJ wanted it to happen this way. They asked for people to vote in favor of the recall at the meeting.
Being sick of this ALPA political bull squeeze is why I did not attend the meeting today. CK & JJ get that.
Rest assured that I will be voting electronically to keep both of them. Mad respect for both those two.

So do we get to vote like we did for the contract?

Did not attend the meeting and never asked anyone to vote for a recall.

This from the FO perspective in a C44 update dated December 12th of last year:
"If a majority of those who vote in the subsequent electronic recall vote call for our removal, we will be immediately recalled and interim elections will occur. Neither of us seeks an ALPA career."
I am not the sharpest marker in the toolshed, but from that I surmise that there will indeed be a council wide electronic vote now.

Again, not the brightest bulb in the knife drawer, but you know darn well that a vote at a council meeting is not necessarily representative of the sentiments of an entire council. In fact, you know a lot and are often times very helpful on this interweb board. But not this time.
So why do say you "heard" that it was not even close?
We, of course, know the answer. But go ahead and humor us with yours. Let's see how good a squirmy, bovine-excrement artist you can be.

Buckleyboy just put the most respectful beat down on Sailboatfun I have ever seen.

He probably didn't even realize you told him he's full of crap.

I got a email from someone who said he read it on the Facebook page so it's third hand. That is why I asked if it was true.

hahahahaha!!!!

BS SailingFUD

Like I said, I did not attend, did not vote, did not give out a proxy, did not advocate to anyone how to vote. Still waiting for someone to post the actual vote.

From what I've heard, about 3:1 in favor of recall.

175-67 for recall is what I heard. I predict the council wide vote will be even more lopsided.

Everyone I know will be voting for them to stay.

Here's the message for any line pilot considering running for rep in the future - don't. You'll be attacked for standing up to the bullies.

Only certain members of the clique are welcome.

The pro recall group was filled with former reps (who put us in the mess the first time and pulled out all the stops to stay in office) and other TA1 cheerleaders.

They're chomping at the bit to get back on power.

Be careful here.

Now that you know, pray tell what this margin means and/or why it matters.

It was just a vote to have a vote today... the unionoids showed up and were clucking away. It'll be interesting how the actual council wide vote goes (very glad we have that).

It means it passed and there will now be a vote by all council 44 pilots.

The same would be true if it passed narrowly. So why the interest in the margin earlier, sailingfun? Would your curiosity be just as piqued had it passed by a single vote?

The entire process (aka C-44 clown show) is an embarrassment to all
Delta pilots. Nothing more than Chuck S. blocking Donald's picks. Wreaks of dirty politics and we look like a joke in front of Delta Mgmt.

One man's holy crusade is another man's clown show.

Now that TA2 is history, I don't think Jimmy or Chris really want to be reps. Their DPA is dying, no contract negotiations to grandstand over; maybe they'll spare us more "clown" and just resign. They don't want to do the work.

I guess you didn't get retro or a raise?

Seriously! What a bunch of whining babies. So self important, completely being played.

The recall votes for Chris and Jimmy? True sailing. The numbers were somewhere around 170 to 70 ish. After DavNes survived his recall vote, by about 35 votes out of 900...he went on to get destroyed in his bid to retain his position in the C44 vote. I'm pretty sure that CK and JJ will make out the same to retain their jobs in the council wide recall vote.

Other than occasionally reading this board I pay zero attention to ALPA politics. Fortunately having read this board, I know that anything the Moakies want is something I don't want. With zero knowledge of what these 2 FO's allegedly did, I'll vote to keep them. Thanks Obama.

Moakies? First, I think the odds of anybody getting elected on the Moak platform is near zero. Although there were some former Moak supporters at the meeting, there were also many former reps (several former North) and vounteers that were as far away from the Moak doctrine as you can get. I bring up the fact they were reps because until you have actually walked a mile in their shoes, it is hard to know what the job really entails.

Line pilots generally only judge a rep on how they may vote or what position they appear to take on a subject. The job is much more than that. The MEC isn't Congress, (how is their approval rating?) it is a board and behavior, process etc matter.

When you have former "anti Moak" North Reps that have ZERO political ambition supporting their recall, that should be enough to know that the recall has nothing to do with Moakism. If the shoe were on the other foot and these two were perceived as Moakies and based on their actions, social media would be in support of their recall just like it was last year for the previous reps.

It seems like anytime the perceived social media majority is in the minority on a position, it immediately labels the opposing side as Moakies (it certainly is not in this case), that the room is stacked with people from the Admin (again false as the Admin would be their supporters), that the average line pilot didn't know as "every guy I fly with says...." (Again BS, many, many communications have been put out to the pilots of 44.)

So maybe it just happens that line pilots who have a different opinion than the social media majority, actually took the time to bid off, go to a meeting and let their voices be heard without their being some conspiracy or personal agenda other than they don't feel like THEY are being represented? Naaaa it was all just a bunch of Moakies who want to be in power again... SMDH...

Please excuse typos and grammar as I am in a hurry.