Today, the (lack of) strength and character of our union will be on full display for all to see (including management). Because today we have the "recall" meeting for our two C44 FO reps.

Can't wait to hear all the tattle telling about their sudden "performance issues" from the same circle of ALPA insiders and their friends who fought so hard for TA1 (and some who fought against TA1, but quickly chickened out).

The ALPA drama queens in the audience with their pre-planted "questions" will nitpick these two to try and humiliate them. They'll make it seem serving as rep is hallowed ground and these two are just not up to it. Heck, the two FOs didn't even want to put us through a paper proxy fight! What rep worth his salt wouldn't put up a proxy fight using (unlawfully) union and company resources to pit pilots against pilots in order to stay in power? SAD!

The only standard by which they have fallen short of most ALPA reps is their unwillingness to be bullied.

Will C44 let a few ALPA lifers decide what's good for us again (like TA1)?

We wouldn't have our current contract without the efforts of the two FO reps. We'd have less. And they both fought for more. So, let's get rid of them.

It's the Delta pilots' way.

 

This issue is very simple. If put to a Council vote IMO there is a zero chance the majority of C44 pilots would vote for BB, RS, TB and TB. The C44 pilots were misrepresented. If we had FO reps that listened to their pilots JM would still be the Chair.

Recall!

 

Then change the C&BLs to make it a popular vote.

And, you want the new admin out of office for exactly what "crimes" in their first three weeks??

You guys make us all look bad.

 

Settle down there Timmy. Never said I wanted the new admin out. What's done is done. I want the C44 FO reps out for not representing C44. This is how democracy works. When Congressional reps votes against the wishes of their district, they are voted out. If C44 feels the way I do, bye bye CK and JJ. That way no further "surprises".

 

I disagree. I felt the FO reps represented me and I'm against their recall.

 

Voted out is different than recall. Recall is pretty ugly. They were justified in 2015 because they cost us hundreds of millions of dollars. Now, these two help us get those dollars and we toss them out? JM lost the election. That's all.

The folks trying to do this are going to look like fools. While there's some satisfaction in that, the most important audiences (mgt and the pilot group) lose faith in ALPA.

A weaker ALPA benefits those running this recall (so they can regain power) and gives mgt pause about our credibility as a whole.

 

Not to put too fine a point on it but in our democracy, Members of Congress are voted in/out by their districts every 2 years for the House/6 for the Senate which is at the end of their term. They is no ability to "recall" Members of Congress when they cast an unpopular vote (i.e., For/against the ACA perhaps). Using your analysis of "how democracy works," those reps should be voted out at the end of their term, not mid-stream.

 

100 years from now, some people will continue to re-fight the Civil War, and some will continue to re-fight the DAL/NWA merger.

 

Don't listen to him. He's just a moakie wannabe who just follows whatever is the hot topic at the moment. Remember he did say that he would support Lee Moak coming back... clueless.

 

Congressmen and women are "voted out" when the next election occurs. That's two years for House members and six years for Senators. Not after every vote they take.

That's not what's happening here, is it?