Endeavor policy on FAR 117 extensions

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05-24-2017 | 07:07 PM

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Yumyum

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You say they are frequent. How many have you taken, both of the <30 minute variety and of the >30 minute variety?

I take them all. Sorry we take them all...as long as everyone is 👌 We continue. I was just pointing out that IF you are NY based...extensions are pretty much standard ops.

05-31-2017 | 06:24 AM

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Extensions are frequent. Not a cloud in the sky and JFK or LGA are in full meltdown mode. Plan on a extension into your day off. It's happening regularly....and if anyone on here calls bul!sh!t they are super lucky or are full of crap.

I'm calling it! A couple of 30 minutes over 18 months. You're much more likely to loose flying than be extended. Pay protection is a wonderful thing. I'm LGA based, and the JFK experience may vary, but i've not personally experienced much of the delays there.. heard the holding instructions many times though!

05-31-2017 | 11:21 AM

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LGA based and haven't experienced many delays there? Sounds like frequenting a cheap brothel without getting an STD. But hey, I guess anything's possible! :-D

05-31-2017 | 12:21 PM

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LGA based and haven't experienced many delays there? Sounds like frequenting a cheap brothel without getting an STD. But hey, I guess anything's possible! :-D

Okay, compared to JFK this month LGA has been exceptionally smooth.

Everything is relative.

05-31-2017 | 05:58 PM

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Okay, compared to JFK this month LGA has been exceptionally smooth.

Everything is relative.

Yup, this past weekend was an absolute debacle in JFK... but runway 22L/4R opened this afternoon so hopefully that mess is less often for the summer. Usually when the doody hits the fan there, things just end up cancelling because the delays rapidly exceed even the 2 hour extension. Fine for line holders with pay protection, sucks big donkey nuts for reserves that find themselves working 12 hour days for 4 hours credit because they have no pay protection.

06-16-2017 | 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Punkah Louvre

This hasn't been my experience. In JFK I've never been extended in a year. In fact, the two times we were going to be extended we got cancelled instead and sent to the hotel.

As usual though *your experience may vary*

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06-16-2017 | 03:03 PM

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Endeavor pilots are saying 'THEY WERE EXTENDED'

No one is ever 'extended'; it is at the discretion of the crew. You extend yourself, the company does not extend you.

06-16-2017 | 05:46 PM

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Thanks for that...

06-16-2017 | 10:25 PM

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You're close... unforeseen delays (such as an ATC delay, WX enroute, etc.) do not require an extension, and therefore no PIC concurrence.

(Caveat - unless the last leg of a duty day is delayed after signing the "fit for duty" block certification. This also requires coordination with the company. (117.19)

Also, the PIC can be investigated if he refuses to accept an FDP extension. 117 provides no protection from such. http://www3.alpa.org/portals/alpa/co...amsters357.pdf

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Endeavor pilots are saying 'THEY WERE EXTENDED'

No one is ever 'extended'; it is at the discretion of the crew. You extend yourself, the company does not extend you.

Last edited by HighFlight; 06-16-2017 at 10:36 PM.

06-17-2017 | 02:54 AM

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DownInPetaluma

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Um what. I don't even know where to begin.

Beyond that 30 minute window, you absolutely must have both parties' concurrence.

Second point, um what. Of course the FDP extension would happen on the last leg. It certainly doesn't occur on the first leg.

Thirdly, you need to re-read that letter and comprehend it. No one is going to pressure me by threatening an 'investigation' lol.