Endeavor policy on FAR 117 extensions
05-21-2017 | 05:25 AM
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Endeavor policy on FAR 117 extensions
Just trying to do some comparisons, but how does Endeavor treat FAR 117 extensions?
-How often do you need to extend, or are asked to extend?
-If you extend, do you get anything in return?
-If you don't extend, how is pay handled?
-If you don't extend, are there any repercussions?
-How often do you need to extend, or are asked to extend?
-If you extend, do you get anything in return?
-If you don't extend, how is pay handled?
-If you don't extend, are there any repercussions?
05-21-2017 | 06:29 AM
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Just trying to do some comparisons, but how does Endeavor treat FAR 117 extensions?
-How often do you need to extend, or are asked to extend?
-If you extend, do you get anything in return?
-If you don't extend, how is pay handled?
-If you don't extend, are there any repercussions?
-How often do you need to extend, or are asked to extend?
-If you extend, do you get anything in return?
-If you don't extend, how is pay handled?
-If you don't extend, are there any repercussions?
05-21-2017 | 11:04 AM
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Got extended once due to WX. Less than 30 minutes, wasn't asked (not required to by FAR), it just happened.
Another time, got extended past 30 minutes, we were asked if we were ok to keep flying, said yes, continued. First flight the next day was delayed due to min rest time. No biggie. Got the required 30 hours off two days later.
These two only in the past 6 months. Nothing the previous 6 months.
- In return, you give yourself a pat on the back.
- We are paid min day of 4 hours, or actual block, whichever is better.
Don't think an extension changes that at all.
- Have never said no, but don't see it as being an issue at all.
Another time, got extended past 30 minutes, we were asked if we were ok to keep flying, said yes, continued. First flight the next day was delayed due to min rest time. No biggie. Got the required 30 hours off two days later.
These two only in the past 6 months. Nothing the previous 6 months.
- In return, you give yourself a pat on the back.
- We are paid min day of 4 hours, or actual block, whichever is better.
Don't think an extension changes that at all.
- Have never said no, but don't see it as being an issue at all.
05-21-2017 | 03:37 PM
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If you block less than SAT you'll still get paid SAT, not just your block
05-21-2017 | 05:36 PM
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What if SAT is 3.5 hours?
05-22-2017 | 06:05 AM
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Then the minimum day provision applies. Any time you report for duty it's a 4 hour minimum pay day.
Lets say that you do 2 flights SAT times of 1.5 and 2 hours. That will be 3.5 hours, thus the min day provision applies
Now let's add a third flight with a SAT time of 1.0. Now it's 4.5 hours pay. Let's say you underblock all the flights by 20 min each, it won't matter because you still get paid at least the SAT times.
Lets say that you do 2 flights SAT times of 1.5 and 2 hours. That will be 3.5 hours, thus the min day provision applies
Now let's add a third flight with a SAT time of 1.0. Now it's 4.5 hours pay. Let's say you underblock all the flights by 20 min each, it won't matter because you still get paid at least the SAT times.
05-22-2017 | 06:20 AM
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Since JFK has entered full meltdown mode in the last couple months I have been two-hours-extended twice. But those were the first times since I have been here. None of them were the companies fault. In fact, the second time we actually called DX and they managed to move up our EDCT time. Now I am rambling.
In the end, Endeavor is pretty good about this. On the 900 at least, most of our trips that touch NYC are build to withstand some stuff going wrong.
In the end, Endeavor is pretty good about this. On the 900 at least, most of our trips that touch NYC are build to withstand some stuff going wrong.
05-22-2017 | 03:35 PM
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Just trying to do some comparisons, but how does Endeavor treat FAR 117 extensions?
-How often do you need to extend, or are asked to extend?
-If you extend, do you get anything in return?
-If you don't extend, how is pay handled?
-If you don't extend, are there any repercussions?
-How often do you need to extend, or are asked to extend?
-If you extend, do you get anything in return?
-If you don't extend, how is pay handled?
-If you don't extend, are there any repercussions?
Extensions are frequent. Not a cloud in the sky and JFK or LGA are in full meltdown mode. Plan on a extension into your day off. It's happening regularly....and if anyone on here calls bul!sh!t they are super lucky or are full of crap.
05-23-2017 | 03:29 PM
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I agree. Also, I'm not sure I understand why people are bringing up the min day pay. The pay rate is still very low for a new hire at least. Although it is great that it's at a level above 4 hours, there is no incentive to fly any extra because you're relying on bonuses to compensate for making $30/hr.
05-23-2017 | 09:48 PM
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You say they are frequent. How many have you taken, both of the <30 minute variety and of the >30 minute variety?
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