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WhiskeyDelta 06-23-2020 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by web500sjc (Post 3079769)
Mesabah is making the assertion that they will reduce the number of 76 seat RJs (in compliance with the LOA) by using the “parked 76 seaters” to replace old 70 seat jets.

I.e we will use the MRJ 900/E175 to replace old ratty MRJ700s/E170s since we can’t use them as 76 seaters. Which is separate from the “make all 76 seaters in to 70 seaters.


Ahh, I see that now, thanks.


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Mesabah 06-23-2020 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta (Post 3079778)
Ahh, I see that now, thanks.


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Another thing to consider, is that the Covid19 crisis has already shrunk DCI permanently, DAL can simply block seats to comply, instead of actually parking jets. It's hard to say how DALPA will handle that, since you are reducing ASMs, and not actual block hours.

Meow1215 06-23-2020 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by Rayjay (Post 3079565)
I don’t see how the agreement still applies when Compass is no longer in business?

This is Delta’s interpretation also. In the grand scheme of things, DAL and DALPA would likely negotiate a new LOA before they park 35 and start removing seats from the others when the time comes to deal with it.

WhiskeyDelta 06-24-2020 02:18 AM


Originally Posted by Meow1215 (Post 3079792)
This is Delta’s interpretation also. In the grand scheme of things, DAL and DALPA would likely negotiate a new LOA before they park 35 and start removing seats from the others when the time comes to deal with it.


Don’t take this the wrong way, but who at Delta have you talked to has made this determination? It’s probably not a stretch to say no one because DALPA hasn’t even addressed this topic publicly. I ask you to reread the language I posted above. It’s clear cut that the flow-down agreement has to be renewed or they must park the 35 jets. CPZ has “ceased to be available” and given the lack of a new agreement, those jets have to be parked until, like you said, a new LOA is reached or a new DCI carrier takes their place.

Svfr 06-24-2020 03:59 AM

That is the interpretation we heard from our union that Delta would take


Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta (Post 3079958)
Don’t take this the wrong way, but who at Delta have you talked to has made this determination? It’s probably not a stretch to say no one because DALPA hasn’t even addressed this topic publicly. I ask you to reread the language I posted above. It’s clear cut that the flow-down agreement has to be renewed or they must park the 35 jets. CPZ has “ceased to be available” and given the lack of a new agreement, those jets have to be parked until, like you said, a new LOA is reached or a new DCI carrier takes their place.


KSCessnaDriver 06-24-2020 04:10 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3079789)
Another thing to consider, is that the Covid19 crisis has already shrunk DCI permanently, DAL can simply block seats to comply, instead of actually parking jets. It's hard to say how DALPA will handle that, since you are reducing ASMs, and not actual block hours.

Not to mention, when the DL & WestJet JV gets approved, it's going to reduce the number of RJ's needed. Go back prior to the Delta & Aeromexico JV, look how much RJ flying was done to Mexico, some out of ATL, some LAX, some SLC. Look who does it now, hint, its not a DCI carrier... Same thing is going to happen with Canada.

quitty123456789 06-24-2020 05:28 AM

Here's an easy solution. We simply bring all of our planes out of storage immediately. That way, SkyWest has to keep all their -900s and -700s parked permanently due to the NWA scope clause. Simple! :D

Meow1215 06-24-2020 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta (Post 3079958)
Don’t take this the wrong way, but who at Delta have you talked to has made this determination? It’s probably not a stretch to say no one because DALPA hasn’t even addressed this topic publicly. I ask you to reread the language I posted above. It’s clear cut that the flow-down agreement has to be renewed or they must park the 35 jets. CPZ has “ceased to be available” and given the lack of a new agreement, those jets have to be parked until, like you said, a new LOA is reached or a new DCI carrier takes their place.

Our MEC Chairmen, who got it from sources directly inside in DAL/DALPA. Again, it’s highly unlikely any current DCI partner will accept a flow back. A new agreement will be required to return all the current DCI A/C.

jaxthepilot 06-25-2020 05:09 AM

Looks like a few more 900s are coming out of SLN tomorrow.

906XJ and 153PQ to ATL
913XJ to MSP
917XJ to DTW

Good vibes all around :cool:

JonGoodsell764 06-25-2020 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta (Post 3079958)
Don’t take this the wrong way, but who at Delta have you talked to has made this determination? It’s probably not a stretch to say no one because DALPA hasn’t even addressed this topic publicly. I ask you to reread the language I posted above. It’s clear cut that the flow-down agreement has to be renewed or they must park the 35 jets. CPZ has “ceased to be available” and given the lack of a new agreement, those jets have to be parked until, like you said, a new LOA is reached or a new DCI carrier takes their place.

I find it ironic that the double breasted stiffs who scoff at any regional pilot in the terminal as if they were useless pieces of trash are now the ones who think they're somehow entitled to a job at EDV. There is/will be no flow down, just as there was no flow up. Grasping at straws in a downturn is a bad look for the prestigious widget pilots.


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