Goal: Delta...fly anywhere but Endeavor?
01-25-2018, 02:46 PM
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Goal: Delta...fly anywhere but Endeavor?
If a pilot sought a career with Delta as their destination/career airline, is Endeavor - as Delta's wholly-owned carrier - the worst possible regional they could work for?
My theory is that the progressively-deepening pilot shortage is driving the major/legacy airlines to create "systems" in which they can manage the pilots (i.e., balance between regional & mainline) as they see fit to do as much cheap flying as possible, so - in flow/agreement scenarios with a wholly-owned regional - pilots who are part of the wholly-owned regional won't get to the mainline carrier as fast as they would by applying from outside the "system." Thoughts??
I have no Part 121 experience so I would love nothing more than for the folks who have done some turns to correct me if this is a bad/incorrect way of thinking.
My theory is that the progressively-deepening pilot shortage is driving the major/legacy airlines to create "systems" in which they can manage the pilots (i.e., balance between regional & mainline) as they see fit to do as much cheap flying as possible, so - in flow/agreement scenarios with a wholly-owned regional - pilots who are part of the wholly-owned regional won't get to the mainline carrier as fast as they would by applying from outside the "system." Thoughts??
I have no Part 121 experience so I would love nothing more than for the folks who have done some turns to correct me if this is a bad/incorrect way of thinking.
01-25-2018, 03:00 PM
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Answers below. No matter where I wanted to end up as my “final resting place” career-wise, I would come to EDV again. And recommend it to my friends whom I care about on a regular basis.
Originally Posted by fenix1
If a pilot sought a career with Delta as their destination/career airline, is Endeavor - as Delta's wholly-owned carrier - the worst possible regional they could work for?My opinion is that EDV is the BEST regional to work for currently. Hands down, the best. (Caveat - right now)
My theory is that the progressively-deepening pilot shortage is driving the major/legacy airlines to create "systems" in which they can manage the pilots (i.e., balance between regional & mainline) as they see fit to do as much cheap flying as possible, so - in flow/agreement scenarios with a wholly-owned regional - pilots who are part of the wholly-owned regional won't get to the mainline carrier as fast as they would by applying from outside the "system." Thoughts??
There is logic behind this thought process. Why would a company take their cheap labor and double or triple their pay? Unless it is part of a contract they are bound to honor, it makes no fiscal sense. But, if you continue to screw your regional pilots by not hiring them after several years of cheap labor, some will stay because they are resigned to their fate, but the driven ones will seek opportunities elsewhere where they are appreciated (paid more) for their particular skill set.
I have no Part 121 experience so I would love nothing more than for the folks who have done some turns to correct me if this is a bad/incorrect way of thinking.
My theory is that the progressively-deepening pilot shortage is driving the major/legacy airlines to create "systems" in which they can manage the pilots (i.e., balance between regional & mainline) as they see fit to do as much cheap flying as possible, so - in flow/agreement scenarios with a wholly-owned regional - pilots who are part of the wholly-owned regional won't get to the mainline carrier as fast as they would by applying from outside the "system." Thoughts??
There is logic behind this thought process. Why would a company take their cheap labor and double or triple their pay? Unless it is part of a contract they are bound to honor, it makes no fiscal sense. But, if you continue to screw your regional pilots by not hiring them after several years of cheap labor, some will stay because they are resigned to their fate, but the driven ones will seek opportunities elsewhere where they are appreciated (paid more) for their particular skill set.
I have no Part 121 experience so I would love nothing more than for the folks who have done some turns to correct me if this is a bad/incorrect way of thinking.
01-25-2018, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by fenix1
If a pilot sought a career with Delta as their destination/career airline, is Endeavor - as Delta's wholly-owned carrier - the worst possible regional they could work for?
My theory is that the progressively-deepening pilot shortage is driving the major/legacy airlines to create "systems" in which they can manage the pilots (i.e., balance between regional & mainline) as they see fit to do as much cheap flying as possible, so - in flow/agreement scenarios with a wholly-owned regional - pilots who are part of the wholly-owned regional won't get to the mainline carrier as fast as they would by applying from outside the "system." Thoughts??
I have no Part 121 experience so I would love nothing more than for the folks who have done some turns to correct me if this is a bad/incorrect way of thinking.
My theory is that the progressively-deepening pilot shortage is driving the major/legacy airlines to create "systems" in which they can manage the pilots (i.e., balance between regional & mainline) as they see fit to do as much cheap flying as possible, so - in flow/agreement scenarios with a wholly-owned regional - pilots who are part of the wholly-owned regional won't get to the mainline carrier as fast as they would by applying from outside the "system." Thoughts??
I have no Part 121 experience so I would love nothing more than for the folks who have done some turns to correct me if this is a bad/incorrect way of thinking.
01-25-2018, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumyum
You are correct. That’s why the SSP was/is a wild ride. I personally feel you have a more solid path to Delta outside of Endeavor these days.
Half of the pilots wouldn’t get a call if they were at another regional
01-25-2018, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by msprj2
How can you possibly say that. Endeavor has a guaranteed interview.
Half of the pilots wouldn’t get a call if they were at another regional
Half of the pilots wouldn’t get a call if they were at another regional
01-25-2018, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by msprj2
How can you possibly say that. Endeavor has a guaranteed interview.
Half of the pilots wouldn’t get a call if they were at another regional
Half of the pilots wouldn’t get a call if they were at another regional
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01-25-2018, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Casualinterest
And as I said in the other thread, the dgi is all theoretical until they put together the official terms. It's not contractual, and could potentially take 6-7 years (worst case scenario) to get your name submitted based on the current details.
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As to answer the original question no I don’t think endeavor is a bad place to be if you want to end up at DAL, especially the way the regional industry appears to be changing. The one thing our contract does say is that no other regional will have career progression favorable to ours.
01-25-2018, 05:24 PM
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I flew with an FO that was here for probably six months before he was hired at Delta so take that for what it's worth. If Delta wants you it doesn't matter who you work for. However there isn't anywhere else right now where you are guaranteed an interview than at Endeavor. There was a lot of problems with the SSP but I guarantee it got some great pilots a job at Delta that otherwise wouldn't have gotten an interview.
01-25-2018, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumyum
Numbers. Without them...you are effed! Common man...haven’t you been in the game long enough to see through the sh!t?
01-25-2018, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by msprj2
How can you possibly say that. Endeavor has a guaranteed interview.
Half of the pilots wouldn’t get a call if they were at another regional
Half of the pilots wouldn’t get a call if they were at another regional
If you're pretending the SSP is magic that's fine, we don't get the SSP. Also, the SSP WAS ONLY intended for captains, they extended the SSP to FOs who wouldn't have had a shot because Endeavor was tanking hard and they hoped it would keep pilots leaving for PSA.
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