Goal: Delta...fly anywhere but Endeavor?
#11
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If you're talking DGI, none, zero, have had a call.
If you're pretending the SSP is magic that's fine, we don't get the SSP. Also, the SSP WAS ONLY intended for captains, they extended the SSP to FOs who wouldn't have had a shot because Endeavor was tanking hard and they hoped it would keep pilots leaving for PSA.
If you're pretending the SSP is magic that's fine, we don't get the SSP. Also, the SSP WAS ONLY intended for captains, they extended the SSP to FOs who wouldn't have had a shot because Endeavor was tanking hard and they hoped it would keep pilots leaving for PSA.
#12
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Watch out for pilot recruitment hyperbole.
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Being a check pilot was as much a kiss of death as it was a bonus point with the SSP... We had many great check pilots turned down... several are now happily at United or Southwest.
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So they're all past the 2 years in left seat but no interviews yet is what you're saying?
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There are a handful of us that are currently "eligible" for the DGI right now. We were here at Endeavor prior to the SSP program, but had resigned, seeking greener pastures. We have been told by execs at 9E that our captain time from our previous stint at this company "counts" toward the 2 year DGI requirements. Most of us upgraded or re-upgraded just prior to, or at the same time as most of the ETD folks. That being said, we are all well past the 2 years of captain time required. At this point, we are waiting for the SSP to end, but the company has not given us any indication of how or when the DGI interviews will begin.
Another question many of us have is whether we will have to wait for the ETD folks to move on. There are not a lot of them, but some held off on upgrade for a while, which would potentially push us back further.
Another question many of us have is whether we will have to wait for the ETD folks to move on. There are not a lot of them, but some held off on upgrade for a while, which would potentially push us back further.
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There are a handful of us that are currently "eligible" for the DGI right now. We were here at Endeavor prior to the SSP program, but had resigned, seeking greener pastures. We have been told by execs at 9E that our captain time from our previous stint at this company "counts" toward the 2 year DGI requirements. Most of us upgraded or re-upgraded just prior to, or at the same time as most of the ETD folks. That being said, we are all well past the 2 years of captain time required. At this point, we are waiting for the SSP to end, but the company has not given us any indication of how or when the DGI interviews will begin.
Another question many of us have is whether we will have to wait for the ETD folks to move on. There are not a lot of them, but some held off on upgrade for a while, which would potentially push us back further.
Another question many of us have is whether we will have to wait for the ETD folks to move on. There are not a lot of them, but some held off on upgrade for a while, which would potentially push us back further.
I didn't realize RTW pilots got to count previous time for the requirements so didn't think anyone would be at the 2 years before it became a factor anyway.
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I flew with an FO that was here for probably six months before he was hired at Delta so take that for what it's worth. If Delta wants you it doesn't matter who you work for. However there isn't anywhere else right now where you are guaranteed an interview than at Endeavor. There was a lot of problems with the SSP but I guarantee it got some great pilots a job at Delta that otherwise wouldn't have gotten an interview.
Also what is the current date of hire from endeavor of the ssp guys currently going to delta? And I understand you can interview as a dgi candidate after 2 years as captain. Is there any timeframe out there on how long after you interview you actually go to delta? Is there a pool you get put in or is it you interview, pass and are in the next class?
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My impression was the DGI interviews are supposed to be starting once the last SSP pilots move on since DGI movement won't be metered after interview. There should only be a couple ETD guys anyway, I was thinking 6 or less.
I didn't realize RTW pilots got to count previous time for the requirements so didn't think anyone would be at the 2 years before it became a factor anyway.
I didn't realize RTW pilots got to count previous time for the requirements so didn't think anyone would be at the 2 years before it became a factor anyway.
Today there is only a promise of a DGI. Unless something changed in 3 weeks, no one in MSP, included Top Guum, had any idea how pilots will even apply for the DGI, when they will go, but everything will be explained someday by Delta HR. Same HR who was in open rebellion (and won) against Deltas old ceo and exec management who made promises to the Pinnacle pilots for their bankruptcy contract.
The only thing that improved the SSP numbers were FOs going through. The captain who interviewed in the SSP had a worse passing rate than the FOs by far, and RE published all those numbers in his newsletter. Please everyone, reference those company numbers before telling us all your feelings.
You have to go back a way though, many of those numbers were changed once pilots were awarded captain, you see while FOs were given a thumbs up as FOs, they get tossed in the captain side. I dont think that's purposefully done, but it distorts who succeeded in the interview.
So good luck DGI captains. See if you can beat the endeavor FO pass rate of 70 something percent. No one else has.
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It was actually lower, in the lower 60s last I checked.
Not sure who "No one else has" refers to. But once the DGI process starts (not sure if there are any CAs here who qualify yet, 2 year wise), a successful interview gets the next available class, no pooling like with the SSP. (Was asked about above)
As for the pass rate, it will end up being higher than the SSP because they are metering guys going in to interview, unlike the SSP. The pass rate of the SSP was a function of personal preparedness and a means of controlling exodus from EDV. Going forward, failing to get the CJO will only be a function of personal preparedness, IMHO.
Not sure who "No one else has" refers to. But once the DGI process starts (not sure if there are any CAs here who qualify yet, 2 year wise), a successful interview gets the next available class, no pooling like with the SSP. (Was asked about above)
As for the pass rate, it will end up being higher than the SSP because they are metering guys going in to interview, unlike the SSP. The pass rate of the SSP was a function of personal preparedness and a means of controlling exodus from EDV. Going forward, failing to get the CJO will only be a function of personal preparedness, IMHO.
If only your "impressions" on the DGI could help any of our captains.
Today there is only a promise of a DGI. Unless something changed in 3 weeks, no one in MSP, included Top Guum, had any idea how pilots will even apply for the DGI, when they will go, but everything will be explained someday by Delta HR. Same HR who was in open rebellion (and won) against Deltas old ceo and exec management who made promises to the Pinnacle pilots for their bankruptcy contract.
The only thing that improved the SSP numbers were FOs going through. The captain who interviewed in the SSP had a worse passing rate than the FOs by far, and RE published all those numbers in his newsletter. Please everyone, reference those company numbers before telling us all your feelings.
You have to go back a way though, many of those numbers were changed once pilots were awarded captain, you see while FOs were given a thumbs up as FOs, they get tossed in the captain side. I dont think that's purposefully done, but it distorts who succeeded in the interview.
So good luck DGI captains. See if you can beat the endeavor FO pass rate of 70 something percent. No one else has.
Today there is only a promise of a DGI. Unless something changed in 3 weeks, no one in MSP, included Top Guum, had any idea how pilots will even apply for the DGI, when they will go, but everything will be explained someday by Delta HR. Same HR who was in open rebellion (and won) against Deltas old ceo and exec management who made promises to the Pinnacle pilots for their bankruptcy contract.
The only thing that improved the SSP numbers were FOs going through. The captain who interviewed in the SSP had a worse passing rate than the FOs by far, and RE published all those numbers in his newsletter. Please everyone, reference those company numbers before telling us all your feelings.
You have to go back a way though, many of those numbers were changed once pilots were awarded captain, you see while FOs were given a thumbs up as FOs, they get tossed in the captain side. I dont think that's purposefully done, but it distorts who succeeded in the interview.
So good luck DGI captains. See if you can beat the endeavor FO pass rate of 70 something percent. No one else has.
#20
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From what I've heard all the Endeavor to DL guys have to "flow" to DL first before the DGI starts. In order for them to go, they have to have been captains for I forget how much time, and there is at least one guy that hasn't upgraded and doesn't have a desire to. The DGI is non-contractual so they can do whatever they want with it, including just saying "sorry we changed our minds". Don't hold your breath. Thankfully we are the highest hourly paid regional for the time being, and we're adding aircraft. Don't hold your breath for the DGI, however.
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