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Old 12-27-2018 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Varsity
I can't figure out what propel is?



You interview with delta with a private pilots license and go to a regional a year or two later?



Do they interview again? I don't..

It’s a Delta program that lets junior and seniors with CFIs from select AABI accredited Part 141 universities go through a selection process that eventually may lead to Delta mainline.

http://propel.delta.com
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Old 12-27-2018 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Varsity
I can't figure out what propel is?

You interview with delta with a private pilots license and go to a regional a year or two later?

Do they interview again? I don't..
It's a mentor program where the company guides you through the process towards becoming a DAL pilot through a multi-year interview. The DGI is a better path IMHO, because it has less risk, and less setup for disappointment.
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Old 12-27-2018 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by GuardPolice
A few points for perspective.

1. If you’ve got these numbers I say pony them up. The universities haven’t even been told their stats and yet somehow you know? PM me if you prefer.
Sorry mate - can't and won't give you any of that information, open board, PM, or otherwise. As for you other points, yes the program is new - the measuring stick being used is not. If the propels want to prepare for the interview it's same as all the other pilots prepping: RST, Emerald, etc are great ways to go about it.

The point I am making for the readers of this board are simply this: The target audience of these programs are woefully unprepared for that of which they are being judged by. Because of that, the success rate is/will be extremely low and those who are successful still have 2-3 years to ruin the opportunity if DAL doesn't kill for no reason first. Lastly and most importantly - 9E pilots shouldn't devote their energies or worries into these programs.
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Old 12-27-2018 | 04:37 PM
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I have no idea what the numbers are, but I would say there is no way these propel candidates are capable of doing well in an interview. That is, unless the interview process is adjusted to their complete demographic.
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Old 12-28-2018 | 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by SlamClicker
Sorry mate - can't and won't give you any of that information, open board, PM, or otherwise. As for you other points, yes the program is new - the measuring stick being used is not. If the propels want to prepare for the interview it's same as all the other pilots prepping: RST, Emerald, etc are great ways to go about it.



The point I am making for the readers of this board are simply this: The target audience of these programs are woefully unprepared for that of which they are being judged by. Because of that, the success rate is/will be extremely low and those who are successful still have 2-3 years to ruin the opportunity if DAL doesn't kill for no reason first. Lastly and most importantly - 9E pilots shouldn't devote their energies or worries into these programs.

Color me skeptical, but I don’t believe you have the numbers. You may have been given a general idea of the success rate and are taking liberties with what that means. It seems obvious to me you want Propel to fail so your bias is shining through. Based on the notion that the universities haven’t been given the stats, I still refuse to believe anyone at 9E - except maybe the highest of managers - knows the true stats.

The success rate of those who actually interviewed is much higher than you’re implying. At Delta we don’t measure the success rate based on the number of people who apply, just those that interview. On that metric, it’s much better than you’re stating.

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Old 12-28-2018 | 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Flogger
I have no idea what the numbers are, but I would say there is no way these propel candidates are capable of doing well in an interview. That is, unless the interview process is adjusted to their complete demographic.

The students who interviewed at the university I represent have a higher pass rate than the running 4 year average of the Delta OTS interviews. Again, that’s based on one semester. I believe in time it’ll fall in line closer to the typical mainline interview pass rate.
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Old 12-28-2018 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by SlamClicker
Single digit success rate for a triple digit application rate.
19/21 at my alma mater as of now. Sounds pretty good to me.
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Old 12-28-2018 | 09:00 AM
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19/21 at my alma mater as of now. Sounds pretty good to me.
My university is very similar.

SlamClicker’s comparing the number of accepted students against total applicants. That’s not what typical pass rates are based on.
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Old 12-28-2018 | 06:46 PM
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What exactly are they interviewing for?

If I interview and go bust a 121/135 initial Delta is still guaranteeing me a job??
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Old 12-28-2018 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Varsity
What exactly are they interviewing for?



If I interview and go bust a 121/135 initial Delta is still guaranteeing me a job??

They are interviewing for a Qualified Job Offer. It’s different from a CJO in that Delta doesn’t make a final hiring decision until just before they are offered a mainline class (about 42 months or less after they start indoc at a DCI carrier or get mission qualified in the reserves). In the time leading up to that final decision, the Propel student’s entire flying career will be continuously under a microscope. In fact, they won’t even take the MMPI until just before the mainline indoc class invite. The same rules apply as any OTS candidate with regard to only two attempts to pass it. If they can’t they will be forever excluded from getting hired by Delta.

Propel isn’t a guarantee or a contract. Nothing compels Delta to hire the student nor does it require the student to deicide to spend their career at Delta. As for getting hired by a DCI carrier or getting selected by a reserve unit, all of that is done on their own. Being in the Propel program doesn’t magically open doors for them. They have to apply, interview, and get hired every step of the way.
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