wiggy15

I wouldn't say they aren't interested because they've been having near monthly meetings on it. I'd say they're resistant to relinquishing too much control and want to ensure the merits really demonstrate the qualities they're looking for in their interview process.

theUpsideDown

Hes not saying Endeavor is against it. He is saying delta is against it. Delta says that, Endeavor says that, endeavor alpa says it, it is fact. Endeavor managers would love a flow because it helps lock in pilot butts into FO seats and sit reserve for years if needbe. Y'all need to separate endeavor management and delta management in your head. Endeavor is a yes and loves meetings on this as long as they don't have to bring it to Delta every month. Delta wants no part of a flow and has limited patience to hear any program bringing us closer to Delta that doesnt have HRs blessing. HR is remarkably independent of senior and exec management at Delta.

JetDoc

This "employee" is already representing the parent company and their "culture" everyday, in fact, the parent company literally owns the company of the pilots that are being rejected and then sent back to fly the very same passengers all-be-it for 1/3 of the wage. The logic just does not work. If these individuals are not good enough for delta then why are they good enough to fly for 1/3 of the pay representing delta on a daily basis? It is a blatantly obvious double standard and those who can't see it are either blinded by their arrogance, fragile ego or both. When you farm out upwards of 40% of your daily departures you can't have it both ways.

theUpsideDown

I think you're trying to make some philosophical argument, but other people are talking about practically. Practically you can have both. Yes, philosophically its all management doublespeak, and some people, even on here dare I say it, fall for management doublespeak. Usually their first bankruptcy removes the scales from their eyes.

wiggy15

Thanks but I was not talking about endeavor management. Or a flow lol. The monthly meetings I was referring to are with Delta and our Union (I think RE is at some too) and not a flow but the merit based system he was talking about...thus why I'd say they (Delta) aren't not interested. They just wouldn't even have the meetings if they weren't. I'm not saying it's ever gonna happen. I'm doubtful it will. But they are at least open to the idea of listening to a merit based system (not a flow....you need to separate the idea in your head ) And have had 5 meetings on it to date in the last 7 months.

preflight

For purposes of discussion on the logic mentioned above...

Statistically, someday, a lawyer is going to have a lot of fun with this if it ever sees a court room:

"So you were not hired by Delta because you were not considered Delta Material"

"Yes Sir, that is correct"

"But they thought you were good enough to continue flying their passengers in jets that go just as fast, just as high, and our subject to all the same rules albeit for 1/3 of the salary"?

"Yes Sir, that is correct"

"Your Honor, the plaintiff rests"

theUpsideDown

Defense: Your honor, the defense understands the procecutions case, and since it isn't a new fight, we ask you hold up the past practice and past settlements, and conclude this pre trail.

Judge: Of course, that's why I allowed you to be present only by speakerphone. I only wanted to let the procecution know that if you keep this up I'll petiton the state to make this a frivolous lawsuit and require the lawyer bringing any further suit to pay both lawyers fees.

Defense: but these pilots online thought I had a great case!

Judge: pilots are legally defined as idiots. You should remember that in the future.

Flogger

I believe this is a PI case?

failed

Care to cite some caselaw to backup your position? Let's run with the following fact pattern. Pilot of a wholly owned subsidiary is rejected for a pilot position at the mainline owner due to subpar cognitive or psychological testing then either intentionally, through negligence, or what can be described as a cognitive deficiency causes damages to a party while employed as a pilot at the subsidiary.

I still don't get your reference to "procecution" don't you think plaintiff and defendant would be more appropriate? I also can't figure out why the judge would petition the state to make the case a frivolous lawsuit you know that's not how it works correct?

They might be correct given some scenarios I still can't believe the mainline carrier is conducting a psychological evaluation rejecting people then allowing then to perform the same position within the organization. If a party is ever rejected due to the psychological exam and uses their position and access to an aircraft to cause injury or a loss of life you might want to rethink your position on liability.

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theUpsideDown

Im gonna skip the first two paragraphs because this is a stupid discussion from a stupid rep who part timed as a PBS volunteer whose biggest contribution was discovering he could steal some open time for himself. This was after his failed "im so smart I'll get rid of those quotas from bloch" but before he was allowed to come back and run PBS for a month and completely botched it. His legal theory is a variation on a theme public and private attorneys have experimented with to punch through the liability shield (for both accidents and incidents). His last couple posts on here are tough to remember but at least one was about how dual qual for all pilots was just around the corner. Youve either stumbled across the theory in an ATL or DTW crew room, or come up with it yourself. The only reason anyone clings onto it is because they feel this variation hasnt been brought up in court yet, and because this flavor sucker hasnt been unwrapped theres still a shot. But the sucker has dum-dum written on the side for a reason

While you may think you're right and i think philosophically its very logical, thats particular legal theory was vetted long ago and everyone (even alpa attorneys) are fairly comfortable this line of thinking won't goto trail.

But after the SLI some idiots got suckered in by an attorney that said he could undo the Bloch award. So find yourself an attorney and prove everyone wrong. Do it now to start exploring how to pop that liability shield. I wish you good fortune in the wars to come.